Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i don't think this is a "guns are good" situation, this is a "security guard with a gun" is good situation.

I suppose your assumption is that security personnel and even police officers have some superior training/ability that the average gun owner does not have?

Should I bother to tell you that as an NRA firearms instructor I have witnessed incompetence the likes of which would make cringe from security and police or is that something you need to ignore to perpetuate this notion of yours?

Security and police are some of the most firearm ignorant individuals you'll ever meet. The only exceptions are those people who have always been gun people before their career choice. Otherwise they are just as bad, if not worse, than the clown in Washington who wish to legislate firearms out of existence yet have no clue what a barrel shroud is or why they even put it on the "ban" list.

I and virtually anyone I've ever shot with am far better trained than any officer in my local PD. SWAT guys, on the other hand, are the exception. Usually anyway. There are still quite a few chumps there.

So, sorry, but having a badge doesn't make you magically qualified for anything. Quite often it makes them pompous asses who show up for training sessions with a holier than thou attitude only to be made to look ridiculous by the middle-aged housewife who has never fired a gun before.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

I suppose your assumption is that security personnel and even police officers have some superior training/ability that the average gun owner does not have?

So, sorry, but having a badge doesn't make you magically qualified for anything. Quite often it makes them pompous asses who show up for training sessions with a holier than thou attitude only to be made to look ridiculous by the middle-aged housewife who has never fired a gun before.

You must have seen some of the same ones that I have. Around here, a lot of them get the job just so they can carry a gun and be Mr. big shot and have a little authority. One even told me that it was almost impossible to find a honest cop anymore. Around where I live, judges, law enforcement and government employees have been investigated and some have even lost their jobs and more will. And they wonder why people don't have any respect for the law.

I just thought of something while in the shower this morning.

Given what I've seen of police "training" I'd rather have somebody claiming magical forces were guiding their hands than somebody claiming government regulated training were guiding theirs watching over me.

You know what you're getting with government training. Lowest common denominator, lowest bidding firm, maybe a firm run by some politicians brother, one-size-fits-all BS designed to pass as many chumps and half-tards as it can in as fast a time possible not unlike what yo get from government schools.

Maybe the magic forces guiding the other guys hand compelled him to achieve or reach a little bit. Hell, even if they didn't it can't be any WORSE than government training.

Chalk one up for the gun advocates! About Time !

Funny though, as I read the posts I didn't seem to see any anti-gunners posting.

Maybe they finally figured an armed citizen might just save their pathetic lives to wine about guns another day.


GUN FREE ZONES GET PEOPLE KILLED
Dear Mr. Criminal,
Please feel free to rob, rape, pillage, plunder, and should you be having an extremely bad day, shoot all the people in this establishment you would like.
For your safety we have banned all armed citizens from our premises that could have stopped you. Have a Nice Day.


I've even gotten to the point if I can't be armed in any particular location I won't go there. If I can't come in with my side arm you don't need my business.

I think theres both a positive and negative to this topic. Allow people to carrying weapons, would yes, help such as in the case listed here at the church.
However, it would also deeply complicate things.

EXAMPLE: Johny is having a bad week, he lost his job, lost his girl, is failing his classes found out he has cancer all in the same week. He loses it and chooses to start blasting away at school.
Now, jimmy, Ryan, scott and dale are all packing, and hear the gun fire. Jimmy turns the corner and sees ryan with a gun, Jimmy shoots ryan, Scott sees jimmy shoot ryan so scott shoots jimmy.

I know this is far fetched, But people panic, its in our nature to jump to conclusions without rational thought, and that my friends, would cost lives as well.

I think a Balance needs to be found. most security guards are armed with a flashlight and pepper spray, not a gun. There are things that could be done to help true dedicated law enforcement men and women other thatn just arming the masses.

Semper, lord knows you guys could use the help, my Dad was CHP for 30 years, he just retired last year. I have no doubt that are plenty of people out there that would be responisble, smart and rational if allowed to carry a firearm, but there are also plenty out there wouldnt.