New Freemason, having some doubts, page 14

reply to post by sacerd

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That is all well and true, but God didn't create us all equally tolerant, wise, understanding, kind, smart, ect. This being said no matter what religion or organization you choose to look at the people who happen to be members will not all act the same. Just because a man/woman is Christian doesn't mean that in some twisted way they will not view Oh, lets say racism as being ok. And they will usually find some piece of Scripture to twist in order to back thier claim.

Anyway, see God gives us all our own streangths and we all have our own weaknesses.

Romans 12:3-8 For I say, trough the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.Having then gifts differing accourding to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith: or ministry, let us use it in our ministering: he who teaches, in teaching :he who exhorts, in exhortation: he who gives, with diligence: he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

I know it's a bit long but I wanted to show you the point. We all have faith and streangth in an area that God gave us. Some Christians shine in many, some are average, and some don't shine at all. You see if you were to meet me in every day life and never brought up the subject of religion you wouldn't know that I am Christian. I don't wear it on my sleeve, I don't go around preaching to people (reguardless of the impression this post gives), I don't make it a habit to rescue kittens out of trees , or pretend to be someone I'm not infront of other Christians. I'm actually the loner type, a drinker, smoker, and I love a good fist fight. I'm so far from perfect it's not funny. I'm imperfect and I'm very aware of it (not proud). Yet when it comes to important things my faith shows through.

I guess the point is that there is no mold for Christians, Freemasons, Muslims, ect. (which ever religion or organization you examine). There are just people that come with there streangths, weaknesses, and lifes baggage that makes them who they are and defines them and how they conduct themselves.

[edit on 24-4-2008 by lazy1981]

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

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While it is true that the congregation that you speak of is indeed pretty offensive they are not indicative of the Christian church by a country mile.
If I am not mistaken every member of that congregation indeed directly related to the minister. i.e. that congregation is, if I am not mistaken made up entirely of his children, their spouse's and his grandchildren.

reply to post by sacerd

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I agree, but it is indicitive that there are bad apples in every orginization, from Masonry to Chrisitanity. I mentioned these offensive individuals in regards your comment refering to 'baseline' morality in Christians. While they do not at all represent Christians throughout the world, as any person should rightly judge, they still postulate themselves as such and their poor behavior reflects on others to a degree.

Here is a bit of observation from an outsider on the issue of Freemasonry and racism (for whatever it's worth).

After reading through the first 8 pages of the thread, I didnt see any posts from the Masons here mentioning inclusion of black brothers in their own lodges. That seemed odd to me. What I guess I was expecting to see here was several of the Masons in the thread speaking up and saying "I dont know about your lodge but my lodge welcomes black brothers with open arms etc.".

Anyhow, I did some reading elsewhere to satisfy my own questions. Primarily, "What stance does Freemasonry take toward black members within it's ranks?"

I read that "some local Lodges are barring Black African-Americans others are welcoming them". Not exactly what I was hoping to find but I can certainly understand that lodges in certain geographical areas may reflect differing opinions from lodges in other areas. It would seem to me that Freemasonry is having the very same struggles with internal pockets of racism that society in general is having. Not so much different from the fact that even ATS has a bit of racism here and there.

I'd like to believe that the Masons are largely good people with good intentions (I do not buy all the masonic conspiracy crap lets put it that way). I certainly hope that one day they will be able to root out the racist members and lodges among them. It would seem from what I've read that they are winning the battle but still have a ways to go.

MasonicDictionary.com/Racism

[edit on 25-4-2008 by SystemiK]

reply to post by sacerd

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I guess if the example that AM gave (the Marine hating homophobic types) is more of the sort that you were getting at then my previous answer wouldn't be correct. To that I would say that they have no idea of what the true message of Christ was and put forth a bigoted example of what Christianity has nothing to do with. Those sorts don't see that even if The Word is against the way that a person lives their life your supposed to love them as a child of God anway. That's His place to pass Judgment.

reply to post by pepsi78

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Funny, because I think this serves as anti-mason propaganda more than anything else. But of course, since masons and non-masons responded and the thread didn't quite end up in the normal vein of pure vitriol and hatred that some antis thrive on, it is unusual for these forums.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

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