It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by spirit7
If you are a Christian then you should have your doubts.
Originally posted by spirit7
If you are a Christian then you should have your doubts. Nothing that Jesus ever did was in secrecy, in fact he specifically pointed out that he did not keep secrets. That whisper that they do in their "brotherens" ear is symbolic of how the devil is constantly trying to trick us.
Originally posted by spirit7
they want to accuse me of having a tin foil hat because I am religous? You don't have to become a freemason to honor your grandfather and father. God gave us freewill already and that is the most important gift that he did give to us besides his sacrafice so that he could pay for our sins. You don't have to earn your way into heaven! SUPRISE!
Originally posted by spirit7
realize that God was on a mission when he sent Jesus here to save us, that he also sent Jesus here to show us the correct way and to lead by example! It's hard to be strong in today's society but we must choose to follow in our fathers footsteps and to never give in!
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by spirit7
reply to post by The Oak
Then they want to accuse me of having a tin foil hat because I am religous?
No. Because you use religion as a cover for your "tin foil hat". And because you act as if you personally have the ear of the Almighty to the exclusion of everyone else who doesn't act as you do. That's a sin too, bubba! One of the Deadlies IIRC.
[edit on 15-12-2007 by Fitzgibbon]
Originally posted by spirit7
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by spirit7
reply to post by The Oak
Then they want to accuse me of having a tin foil hat because I am religous?
No. Because you use religion as a cover for your "tin foil hat". And because you act as if you personally have the ear of the Almighty to the exclusion of everyone else who doesn't act as you do. That's a sin too, bubba! One of the Deadlies IIRC.
[edit on 15-12-2007 by Fitzgibbon]
So, in other words, you are saying that it's a sin to have a personal relationship with Jesus? I don't think so, bub. We all have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus, it's just that some of us choose not to communicate with him. And there is nothing tin foil about my religion either. As a matter of fact, I have no problem with anyone else's religion, except for Freemasonry and yes, I am always in the fighting spirit! AMEN
Originally posted by Masonic Student
reply to post by spirit7
Why do you single masons out for your objection to their religious beliefs? The majority of masons are Christians.
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by spirit7
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by spirit7
reply to post by The Oak
Then they want to accuse me of having a tin foil hat because I am religous?
No. Because you use religion as a cover for your "tin foil hat". And because you act as if you personally have the ear of the Almighty to the exclusion of everyone else who doesn't act as you do. That's a sin too, bubba! One of the Deadlies IIRC.
[edit on 15-12-2007 by Fitzgibbon]
So, in other words, you are saying that it's a sin to have a personal relationship with Jesus? I don't think so, bub. We all have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus, it's just that some of us choose not to communicate with him. And there is nothing tin foil about my religion either. As a matter of fact, I have no problem with anyone else's religion, except for Freemasonry and yes, I am always in the fighting spirit! AMEN
You act as if you're the only one that has an angle on Jesus. I'm an Anglican. I don't think that Anglicans have a lock on access to the Almighty. I believe that Catholics and Baptists are as beloved. I can't really say that I see any of that sort of recognition in any post of yours.
FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION!!!!!!
Geddit? Grow up and show some recognition of what goes on beyond your immediate sphere. You might be surprised that others in this world are worth getting to understand. As is, you do discredit to the Christian faith.
Originally posted by spirit7
The devil is always trying to get you to kneel and take the easy way out but it's Jesus Christ that requires you to be strong and to stand.
Originally posted by spirit7
Originally posted by Masonic Student
reply to post by spirit7
Why do you single masons out for your objection to their religious beliefs? The majority of masons are Christians.
That's the problem, Christians should not be worshipping a supreme being. They should only be worshipping the the one true God and the part of himselft that he gave for us, Jesus Christ and they sure as heck shouldn't be kneeling down and submitting themselves to some worshipful master. Rather then that, they should be working on their own intimacy with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ specifically pointed out that nothing he did was in secrecy. Anyway, I don't have a problem with the people who are freemasons in general because I believe that the majority of you guys are good. The problem I have is with the gnostic "craft" itself because of how it's used. Rather than caving in to pressure and submitting themselves to something so sectretive and mysterious that they no not what they are getting themselves into, you should turn to Jesus Christ instead. The devil is always trying to get you to kneel and take the easy way out but it's Jesus Christ that requires you to be strong and to stand.
Originally posted by spirit7
That's the problem, Christians should not be worshipping a supreme being.
They should only be worshipping the the one true God and the part of himselft that he gave for us, Jesus Christ and they sure as heck shouldn't be kneeling down and submitting themselves to some worshipful master.
Rather then that, they should be working on their own intimacy with Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with the people who are freemasons in general because I believe that the majority of you guys are good.
Originally posted by spirit7 Believe me, there is nothing good about your secret organization, no matter how it is disguised.
Originally quote]
So what exactly is God or Jesus Christ? Are they, or him depnding on a persons views, not supreme?
Rather then that, they should be working on their own intimacy with Jesus Christ.
This is your own personal opinion and interpertation of Christianity that is not accepted by all.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with the people who are freemasons in general because I believe that the majority of you guys are good.
Really is that so? Care to explain this........
[quoteI think if Jesus Christ were alive to witness your bigoted hatred towards your fellow man he might be somewhat disappointed. Perhaps you should make a better effort to practice some of his tenets and beliefs regarding redeedming and brotherly love.
[edit on 15-12-2007 by AugustusMasonicus]
God and Jesus Christ are one in the same. Jesus Christ was a part of himself and was refered to as "his son" as part of the example of how we all should be. And yes, all Christians should work on their personal and intimate relationship with our Lord and Savior.
Originally posted by Masonic Student
reply to post by spirit7
No mason ever kneels to the worshipful master. We kneel to pray as the candidate, pray to our God, we also kneel before the bible and our God to take the obligation. But those are the only time we kneel, and it is only before our God. I use our in this case to mean the individual mason.
No mason is ever asked to kneel to the master of the lodge or even the Grand Master. The title worshipful mean respected.
Originally posted by spirit7
I'm interested knowing more about the ancient mystery and the all seeing eye.