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reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 06:58 PM by traderonwallst
reply to post by jimbo999


I asked you earlier. Does your consensus include meteorologists? climatologists? geologists? chemists? physicists?

Or is just your plain old environmental, already biased scientists?


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:05 PM by jimbo999
reply to post by traderonwallst


Why not do the research for yourself? It's freely available - and was very well publicised barely a week ago or so... I don't rely on purely US (or even Canadian) media for all my information. To do so I think, is to limit your resources in a very debilitating way Good hunting. Really, I mean that. It's well worth the effort.

J.


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:09 PM by jimbo999
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But then why would the oil billionaires who run anti global warming, psuedo-science websites like the CATO Institute spend so much time, energy & money trying to convince you that GW is NOT real? It's just not logical surely?



J.


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:10 PM by jimbo999
reply to post by AshleyD

I think if you go back and read the whole thread, you'll find we've already discussed this option


J.


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reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:14 PM by AshleyD
Originally posted by jimbo999
reply to post by AshleyD

I think if you go back and read the whole thread, you'll find we've already discussed this option


You probably have. But you see, my problem is inherent laziness.


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:19 PM by jimbo999
Originally posted by AshleyD
Originally posted by jimbo999
reply to post by AshleyD

I think if you go back and read the whole thread, you'll find we've already discussed this option


You probably have. But you see, my problem is inherent laziness.


Heheh...I understand completely Unfortunately, (??) I've been here since the ragged inception of this tawdry little thread...heh!

J.


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:36 PM by TheAvenger
Originally posted by Blaine91555
Source of quote below. Sorry - the source is from Richard S. Lindzen of the Cato Institute.




Actually Richard Lindzen is a professor with M.I.T. and has published dozens of peer reviewed papers. He is the leading opponent of the warmies; the man who makes the most sense of climate change and is who they fear the most.

I am impressed with your unbiased and honest approach to the subject in this thread. Very refreshing, thank you.



reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 08:16 PM by Blaine91555
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I will continue to consider both sides of the debate and the fact that many of those on the other side appear to be qualified to express an opinion. I'll continue with the knowledge that Theory is simply unproven fact. I'll take comfort in the fact that I think both sides have things of relevance to say and that ignoring one side completely in favor of another amounts to Tunnel Vision which could be considered Scientific Heresy. If Mankind is the Primary cause of Global Warming and if Global Warming is indeed even unusual in the history of the Earth the truth will play out in the end. While I'm doing this I'll factor in the equally convinced Scientific Community who said we were in the beginning of an impending Ice Age not so many years ago.

I've enjoyed the thread and the ensuing debate. I've got to get some more work done to pay the bills. Thanks to everyone for the discussion it has been very informative.

In parting let us not forget the Pew Foundation. A source of funding for the pro-Global Warming stance. Funded by Oil and Tobacco money. It would seem both sides have to turn to Oil Money for needed funds. In fact in reading about it I was floored by the irony of it all.

Jimbo, a few short decades ago, these Scientists you so revere, would have laughed at the idea of impending Global Warming. Who knows what the consensus will be a few decades forward. Either way lets agree we all want a clean environment and work from that premise instead of arguing over who is right. What does it matter which side is right if both sides are working toward a better world? The argument pales in comparison to what working together for a better world would accomplish. Not everything is a Conspiracy. Not everyone is a Conspirator. Unless of course the observer is suffering from Paranoid Delusions.


reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 08:18 PM by Blaine91555
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You are most welcome. I wish I could continue longer but work calls. Thanks for the encouragement.




reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 08:27 PM by Burginthorn
I hope this doesn't get laughed out of this very interesting thread, especially seeing that most here are intellectual and hold a good argument, but has anyone considered the spiritual causes of earth's changes?

Many times over God warned the Israelites that if they obeyed His commandments, their crops would reap abundant harvests. Likewise, if they didn't obey their crops would fail - so on and so forth in many aspects of their lives.

By obeying God, the seasons, which effect crop growth, live stock production and the many other area's of survival were "controlled" by blessings through obedience to God's commandments.

Personally I wouldn't totally rule out our current climate issues being directly connected to mankind's lack of obedience to God's commandments.
Most will probably laugh at such thoughts, especially those who consider science a more reasonable way to find the meaning of knowledge, wisdom and mysteries.

To totally rule out a spiritual factor, to me at least, is not looking at ALL aspects of the argument.
I think mankind and his connection (or lack thereof) with his Creator "could" be a very large factor as to why we face the current climate issues we face today.

"IF" God our creator is real, and our actions have a direct result to our surroundings, in the physical sense and in the spiritual sense, with both being directly linked. Then a quick "look around" at the current state of Godlessness throughout mankind "could" be the missing link as to why we are experiencing these things, not just here on earth, but right across the solar system.

God in times past has used the "weather" to convey a message to mankind. The Great Flood as a prime example.

In the Book of Revelations - the last book of the Bible, there is much information about the "end days" of mankind. What I find interesting is the detailed information about the earths climate and the changes the earth will suffer as a direct result of God's judgment apon mankind's wickedness and rebellion.
Its speaks of famine - famine can be the direct result of weather. No rain, or storms has a great effect on our food sources. Both of which we see today.
Climate scientists already agree "Global Warming" is having a direct effect on our food supplies.

Here in Australia we are seeing this first hand, as the drought we are currently in (the worst in our nations history) has caused food prices to rise dramatically.

Anyway its something to consider as to why the earth is experiencing these events.
This is not intended as a religious "Bible bashing" piece, but another avenue of discussion that has not been mentioned previously.

Cheers.
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