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Topic started on 9-12-2007 @ 03:57 PM by SonicInfinity
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4 shot outside church, police say
www.cnn.com
 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- A gunman opened fire in the parking lot of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, striking four
people, the church's pastor said.
The conditions of the people shot outside the New Life Church were not known, El Paso County Sheriff's Lt. Lari Sevene said.
Lance Coles, a pastor at New Life Church, told The Associated Press he received a report that a man was shooting at people in the church parking lot
and that the gunman may have entered the church. (visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 03:57 PM by SonicInfinity
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I saw an article already here on about a shooting, but unless I've been confused by CNN, this shooting is COMPLETELY different from the other one,
yet contains similar scenarios. So strange.
www.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:05 PM by greeneyedleo
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Wow
2 diff incidents w/in an hour distance from each other.
news.yahoo.com...
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:06 PM by SonicInfinity
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You don't think it's some elaborate conspiracy, do you? I mean, it could be a coincidence, but still.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:09 PM by greeneyedleo
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Well, *I* dont think it is.
I think there are screwed up people out there who do horrible things.
I would bet that its the same shooter though. Its not a long drive between the 2 places.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:10 PM by SonicInfinity
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The same shooter? What would the motive me? Get mad at one place, so go to a completely unrelated place and shoot again? It doesn't make sense.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:18 PM by greeneyedleo
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Maybe the dude had enough of relgion/religous people...or had a bad experience. Or knew someone there who pissed him off....or was rejected by the
religious people there.
The 2nd shooting took place at the infamous Ted Haggerd's church.
Who knows why screwed up people do screwed up things. Thats what the experts are for  LOL
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:21 PM by SonicInfinity
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Well, I can't wait to see this straighten itself out. I wonder how the media is going to twist this into something terrorist related. 
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:48 PM by Boondock78
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it's getting to where you can't go anywhere unless you're packing yourself...
happened at a church missionary training center....
where were ya on that one jesus?
dropped the ball me thinks
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 04:52 PM by infinite
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 Originally posted by Boondock78
where were ya on that one jesus?
dropped the ball me thinks 
abit tastless don't you think
The Church was setup by an ex-priest who had a gay affair. Me thinking this could be the work of Christian extremists.
Fox is talking about a home made pipebomb as well.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 05:11 PM by Boondock78
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i don't think so at all.
i think it is ironic that they're there doing 'gods work' only to get gunned down...
if you take it as tasteless, thats on you.
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christian extremists......even better/worse
you'd think the man with the sandals would stop stuff like this....
eh, don't want to turn this into a religious debate but i do find it a bit ironic.
as i said though, it is getting to the point that you're not gonna be safe unless you're packing.....i just might have to start.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 05:16 PM by Sanity Lost
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Strange world we are living in these days with what seems to be more and more shootings almost every week.
Youth with a Missions Offical Press Release
Looking at the websites of Youth With a Mission which is run by Faith Bible Church and the website for New Life Church, I saw no connection to inspire
someone to harm people at both locations.
Is it time to head for the hills and hide out for the rest of our days? There must be an insanity virus going around or something.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 05:22 PM by Boondock78
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Originally posted by Sanity Lost
Is it time to head for the hills and hide out for the rest of our days? There must be an insanity virus going around or something.
^^^^i have been wondering that myself...
i have been going back and forth in my head about carrying one of my pistols but, i don't want to go through all the stuff to get the permit, but i
don't want to break a serious law like carrying a firearm either...
i like to stay off the grid as much as possible and i definately don't want to be in the ncic or whatever it is to get the permit.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 05:24 PM by greeneyedleo
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I have 2 aunts who work with YWAM and have for a 20yrs or so. However, they work in locations outside the country.
Sad day.
I will say this in regards to God allowing this.... I believe God lets people make their own choices - good and bad. And when people make bad
choices, it unfortunately affects others around them.
If he didnt allow that, then we would be puppets with no thought of our own. JMO
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 05:31 PM by SonicInfinity
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I will say this in regards to God allowing this.... I believe God lets people make their own choices - good and bad. And when people make bad
choices, it unfortunately affects others around them.
If he didnt allow that, then we would be puppets with no thought of our own. JMO
Exactly. The whole "Jesus didn't stop it lulz!" was completely unnecessary.
So, have the police and news stations confirmed yet that the shootings were conducted by two different people?
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 07:16 PM by Sanity Lost
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Suspected attacker killed in at second shooting
I just came across this new which is three hours old at this time. No connection known between the two shootings at this time.
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reply posted on 9-12-2007 @ 08:32 PM by greeneyedleo
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It remained unclear if the shootings were related but police in Arvada said they were working with their counterparts in Colorado Springs to determine
if there was a link between the two assaults, said Arvada's police chief, Don Wick.
It still seems to be it could be the same person, as they never caught the 1st shooter.
Thanks for the followup!
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reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:06 AM by moonbeam-maiden
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The gunman was killed by a member of the church's armed security staff, the source said.
Did i miss something....Since when do churches have to hire armed security guards? This is
really strange to me armed gunmen in the church! If your church needs to have an armed security staff I think it may be better to worship at home.
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reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 07:50 AM by djcloudy
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Originally posted by Boondock78
i don't think so at all.
i think it is ironic that they're there doing 'gods work' only to get gunned down...
if you take it as tasteless, thats on you.
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christian extremists......even better/worse
you'd think the man with the sandals would stop stuff like this....
eh, don't want to turn this into a religious debate but i do find it a bit ironic.
as i said though, it is getting to the point that you're not gonna be safe unless you're packing.....i just might have to start.
I'd recommend it man.. things aren't going to get better until they get a whole heck of a lot worse.
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reply posted on 10-12-2007 @ 12:10 PM by SonicInfinity
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I just heard on CNN that two different guns were used at the two incidents, so they believe that there were two different gunmen.
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