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Pasadena police say Horn shot 2 men in the back - More on the 'Hero'

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posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 07:22 AM
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Pasadena police say Horn shot 2 men in the back - More on the 'Hero'


www.chron.com

Both men were hit by shotgun blasts after entering Joe Horn's front yard.

The two burglary suspects killed by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn were shot in the back after they ventured into his front yard, police disclosed Friday.

In another twist, investigators revealed that a plainclothes Pasadena detective witnessed the Nov. 14 shootings after he pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-gauge shotgun.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 07:22 AM
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The article gives more information on this shooting but still does not make everything clear.

Police state the crooks were shot in the back but the autopsy report states it could not be determined.

And the police are at the scene but too short a time to intervene. Mr. Horn wanted the police there but it originally appeared that they did not make the scene in time. Well they did.

I think the officer should have shouted out to the man (Horn) since he was parked (sounds like more than a few seconds on scene) in front of his house.

I still think the police could have done a better job with this may be the men would be alive and living of the taxpayers.


www.chron.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 12/8/2007 by roadgravel]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 07:42 AM
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More dirt on this anti-hero.

The guy has obvious problems.

[edit on 8-12-2007 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:27 AM
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more power to this guy he caught crooks in act they came onto his property probably to burglurize his house next then blam blam blam.
no tax payer burden. now i no alot of bleedin hearts are saying it was wrong butb i bet if half of them ever got robbed they would feel totally different. having your home invaded and robbed is on e of the worst feeling to have.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
they came onto his property probably to burglurize his house


So shooting other people cause they are probably bad, sounds sane to you? (i smell ignorance?)

you should be running for president! (sarcasm)

I feel blessed that i live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty, and where handguns are not everymans property, and where it is illigal to take the law into one's own hands.



[edit on 8-12-2007 by Bluess]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:47 AM
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It clearly states in the article why the officer did not do anything:


Corbett said the plainclothes detective, whose name has not been released, had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call. He saw the men between Horn's house and his neighbor's before they crossed into Horn's front yard.
Corbett believes neither Horn nor the men knew a police officer was present.
"It was over within seconds. The detective never had time to say anything before the shots were fired," Corbett said. "At first, the officer was assessing the situation. Then he was worried Horn might mistake him for the 'wheel man' (get-away driver). He ducked at one point."


So basically if he had parked his butt in the house like he was told, the police were already watching the men, and they would have been apprehended. Instead “Mr Hero” took the law into his own hands, and prevented the police from making a lawful and peaceful arrest.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
more power to this guy he caught crooks in act they came onto his property probably to burglurize his house next then blam blam blam.
no tax payer burden.


Ok and what if he had accidentally shot one of the pain-clothes officers instead. If you listen to the full tape, even the dispatcher is telling him there are “plain-clothes officers at the location”. You can hear the officer tell him to get on the ground, and him initially reply “NO!”…



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:59 AM
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Police officers call to a an incident in action are to present themselves in uniform as to show their presence.

The man had not business to be in the area on plain clothes he put his own safety on the line he either was off duty or he was not regular patrol officer.

That will will be a neighborhood that Burglars will think two times before targeting.


If every citizen will get together and show their fire power it will less criminals around.

We already have a burdened prison system that needs some clean up.:mend:

This no the old west when been a man meant to fight face to face, today better to shot in the back than wait until they turn around to shoot you first.

[edit on 8-12-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Police officers call to a an incident in action are to present themselves in uniform as to show their presence.

The man had not business to be in the area on plain clothes he put his own safety on the line he either was off duty or he was not regular patrol officer.


There are many officers who work in plain clothing, there is nothing new about that fact. Even an off duty officer is still a police officer if he ends up at a crime scene. it’s a simple matter of which officer was closest to the location and which got there first. Many detectives also dress plain clothes.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 09:11 AM
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Yes you are right a police officer is a police officer 24 hours a day.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by roadgravel


The article gives more information on this shooting but still does make every clear.

Police state the crooks were shot in the back but the autopsy report states it could not be determined.

And the police are at the scene but too short a time to intervene. Mr. Horn wanted the police there but it originally appeared that they did not make the scene in time. Well they did.

I think the officer should have shouted out to the man (Horn) since he was parked (sounds like more than a few seconds on scene) in front of his house.

I still think the police could have done a better job with this may be the men would be alive and living of the taxpayers.


www.chron.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Wrong.

At first, the cops said they were shot in the chest and side. The autopsy showed they were shot in the back, and that the chest and side wounds were exit wounds.

Hell, the UC himself was scared of Redneck Horn, and I don't blame him. I wouldn't trust a redneck with a shotgun, either.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 11:23 AM
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reply to post by Mr. Pele Pele
 


Wrong?


According to a final ruling, Ortiz died of shotgun wounds to his neck and torso, said Ellie Wallace, an investigator at the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office.

The report said that Torres died of shotgun wounds to his torso and upper left extremity.

Wallace could not confirm whether the men were shot in the back, saying the autopsy report only indicated they were shot in the torso


The autopsy did not say one way or the other.


[edit on 12/8/2007 by roadgravel]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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I think the guy should get the death penalty,that was blatant murder,plus shooting someone in the back armed or unarmed is considered an act of cowardism,when is it ok to kill someone running away from you,I'm totally appaled,and for your information most of my family is retired police,and government agents



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 11:37 AM
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Those thieves probably had $100 worth of Walmart crap. These guys may have been the victims of crack in which it makes people sell everything they have and also steal in order to get the next hit. There really was no reason to kill in this case. These guys could have repented for their sins and be better people in the long run. That will not happen now because they are dead.

If they had done this in a Muslim country they would have gotten off easy minus their hands of course. So who are the radicals again? The guy is not a hero he is a murderer. I believe life is worth more then material goods. The guys emotions are what drove him over the edge.

www.clipsyndicate.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
more power to this guy he caught crooks in act they came onto his property probably to burglurize his house next then blam blam blam.
no tax payer burden. now i no alot of bleedin hearts are saying it was wrong butb i bet if half of them ever got robbed they would feel totally different. having your home invaded and robbed is on e of the worst feeling to have.


Yes, and having someone you know who gets shot because someone thought they were guilty of a crime might change YOUR mind.

I hope this is not a one liner.

[edit on 12/8/2007 by bigbert81]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 12:02 PM
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Sorry, but you are not going to find many people who care about the career criminals who got killed. No matter how you try to spin it. In the end, they were criminals who were robbing people. If you are going to be in that business then be prepared to be killed by homeowners who are defending their property or by the police.


The men, who had just burglarized Horn's neighbor's house, faced him from seven to 10 feet away when they ignored his order to "not move"or they would be dead, police said.

The two men — Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48 — collapsed and died not far from Horn's home on Timberline in a Pasadena neighborhood.

Both were illegal immigrants from Colombia, authorities said. Torres had been deported to Colombia in 1999 after serving time for possession with intent to distribute coc aine. Both were also using fake identification cards and aliases, and their backgrounds are now being scrutinized by federal authorities to determine if they were part of a Colombian fake ID and burglary ring, authorities said.

they were carrying a sack filled with more than $2,000 in cash and assorted jewelry believed taken in the burglary, police said.

The fact that a police officer witnessed the shooting but did not arrest Horn is further evidence that he acted in self-defense. "You've got a trained police officer sitting there watching this, and he doesn't arrest Horn,"

www.chron.com...


I got this information from the same article. Why weren't any of you posting this information? Most of you have quoted just about all of that article except this information. I wonder why?




[edit on 8-12-2007 by zerotime]


apc

posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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It's the perps' fault they got shot in the back. They shouldn't have turned around.

They wont be making that mistake again!



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by proteus33
more power to this guy he caught crooks in act they came onto his property probably to burglurize his house next then blam blam blam.
no tax payer burden. now i no alot of bleedin hearts are saying it was wrong butb i bet if half of them ever got robbed they would feel totally different. having your home invaded and robbed is on e of the worst feeling to have.


Yes, because in a civilized world, theft should be punishable by death.

Spot on, you're a thinker...

pfft.




posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5

There are many officers who work in plain clothing, there is nothing new about that fact. Even an off duty officer is still a police officer if he ends up at a crime scene. it’s a simple matter of which officer was closest to the location and which got there first. Many detectives also dress plain clothes.


Even more to the point, Innocent civilians are also plain clothed. Has this lunatic decided that as he was dispensing his own justice, and targeted innocent people, would these morally bankrupt supporters still be patting him on the back?

I'm all for protecting my family, my posessions and I will protect them to the death, but shooting people who are leaving/.ing away from me, is somthing I would expect to be charged murder for.

God knows there are enough rampant lunatics GIVEN a badge out there, we don't need the average gonk with a shotgun going all Paul Kersey when they feel like it.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:29 PM
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These were not good, upstanding citizens who were shot. These were criminals breaking the law. If they had not been breaking the law, they would not have been shot. Look at all of the innocent people of the world that are shot. Omaha, Columbine, etc. They were innocent people. They deserve sympathy. Not these two criminals.

Besides, they didn't die in vain, if their deaths make someone else decide not to commit a crime. But I doubt it will.



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