Proof Of Alien And Obelisk On The Moon?? Official Apollo 16 Footage!!

reply to post by eyewitness86


Very much agree with all your views on this subject, and Im glad theres others with similar thoughts to mine
This is about the 'bigger picture'- The moon; why so many photo/video anomolies, why 'airbrushing' photos etc..........
I think its a discrace and such a shame that the people in charge (government/corporate funded black projects, etc) are keeping the truth of possible discoveries secret. The human race is primitive to say the least (including myself ofcourse!), and to these people its all about power, money, wealth, secrecy, to benefit themselves and people within thier 'circle'. What a joke

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by internos

 

Yes, that video is genuine, and it does not have any "person" or "alien" appearing to grab something from the ground because of two reasons:

1. That video ends before the "person" appears, the "static" on the YouTube video was used to connect that video with the next.

2. The person was added (how can we explain that the "secret" video has a much worse quality than the official version?) to the original video, and to make it easier the person who did it reduced its quality so much that we can only see the legs of the astronaut moving away from the camera.

The video used to show the person/alien is avaiable here from NASA.

Thank you for the info, ArMap
(frankly, i'm not taking much seriously the youtube one
I was referring to what we see in the video i cutted from the NASA one,
now i didn't know that it wasn't the same: i've sent it to Mike and he told me that it was the right one, so i didn't make further comparisons.
Anyway, did you notice that there's something else in the part i've cutted (from the NASA one) ?


Edit to add: ArMap: if you look FROM 2:45 the YouTube one and compare it with this one from sec. 2:28
www.hq.nasa.gov...
you will see that the part i've cutted and that one are the same.
How does it come?
They used two different vids, maybe ?


[edit on 8/12/2007 by internos]

reply to post by eyewitness86


Good stuff. Yea I believe we went to the moon, and I believe some shots where probably faked to account for mission time where they encountered alien artifacts and structures. Some of these objects could not be completely removed or covered with fake video. This might be one you are discussing.

Good work guys, but I am so tired of picking up crumbs with tweezers that I don't even think it is worth the time. It may be all we've got, but soon I sense maybe all the crumbs will be forgotten when tangible events transpire proving first, that other civilizations exist, then that they have been here since we where hominids and maybe earlier.

The fact that all the NASA original footage is missing is compelling enough. When you think about that and how unlikely it was just misplaced you start to sense a cover up was desperate enough to hide or destroy our god given history.

I don't think the video/photos where destroyed. Some creepy dark souled bastards got them somewhere. They are into power and control. The would not destroy such assets they can use later. They are smart, but not intelligent people. Intelligence is a higher order of awareness that includes integrity, compassion, creativity and understanding. Too many "smart" people in control.

Still, the videos (below) I saw and studied with some other sharp people look like some got out. Check these if you have not seen them. I have found no actual technical problems with the videos below, but see many things very hard if not impossible to fake.


ALIEN MOON SHIP, CITY & BUNKER______________________

Apollo Flyover & Survey Video

CSM Flyover

Alien Moon Ship Stills

Ancient Structure on the Moon, Armstrong Video

The City

"The City" is a bit 2-dimensional, but if faked was done well, and why? There is no motive for such productions other than a film-school project, and that is too unlikely and would show problems. These are VERY pro or real. I'm leaning to real.

Also, the Armstrong video has some very interesting moments. Especially when an astronaut walks/bounds past the camera. You can't fake low gravitation in a walking person. Even TV shows and and science fiction movies can't do it well. So then why so realistic here? Also construction for the structure is completely unique and non-conventional materials. If a set, very expensive construction. So why, if faked?

Maybe when the Google prize is awarded to a non-military moon rover we can all see live telemetry from the moon and we will get some satisfaction.

Keep up the great crumb picking guys. My tweezer is too blunt for this though.

ZG

There was a website centered around that video I ran into in about 2000. It was later debunked. As I recall it turned out to be a clip made for that movie about the Moon Landing being faked. The name of the movie eludes me at the moment but I'm sure you know the movie I'm talking about. I think I have it in a box somewhere I'll have to look. Some faker must have copied it from the movie and added bits to it.

Previous thread regarding this video if you're interested.

Of course it goes off-topic rather quickly as these types of threads often do.

reply to post by mikesingh


Hello Mike

I really must say, this find is extraordinary in mind. Maybe one of the best I have seen.

I see three facts in that video, that is more then enough what I was looking for:

1. A hasty run from one Astronaut to the other to "help out"

-> Remember, these guys are on the moon. Nobody would just run around, especially with a heavy, sweaty spacesuit unless it is an absolute emergency. The other astronaut apparently needed help. It looks to me he was stunned to death to see the "third pary" on the right side moving.

2. The moving "third party" on the right. As everybody knows there lunar module had only space for two. Having one astronaut running to other and seeing a third entetie on the right is outstanding.

3. The video was tempered with. There might have been more, especially the audio I think is fake. The stunned astronaut on the ladder requested immediate help. That was the reason the other astronaut was running to him.

Would you be stunned to see a third party (alien )running in close proximity on the moon, especially close to my one way ticket home (the moon lander)
Boy, - I certainly wood !!!!!!







[edit on 8-12-2007 by Annunaki2012]

reply to post by internos


The last frame of 1704820 (frame 5980) is the same as frame 31 of video 1705138 (if I am not mistaken), and this frame (31 of video 1705138) can be seen at around 57 seconds of the"grandfather" video.

Judging from what I can see from the astronauts (I thought of using the time, but the speed may have been changed), the "person" should appear around second 5 from video 1705138, just before the astronaut behind the leg of the Lunar Module starts moving backward.

The video also says that the original is cropped, but it is consistent with the other videos, while the "grandfather" video is a little resized (smaller) to make enough space for the "person" that would appear on the right.

About the "thing" that you were talking about, is it the one marked bellow?

Originally posted by Annunaki2012
reply to post by mikesingh

 

1. A hasty run from one Astronaut to the other to "help out"

From what I have seen, and I think I have also read something about it, they preferred that almost running pace than walking because walking was difficult to do with the suits.

If the astronaut near the Lunar Module was in need of help because of the "third party", then why did both turned their back to him/it? And why did they continued to do their work (visible on the videos after that one that are posted on the NASA site)?

3. The video was tempered with. There might have been more, especially the audio I think is fake. The stunned astronaut on the ladder requested immediate help. That was the reason the other astronaut was running to him.

I also think the video was tampered with, but I think the tampered video is the "grandfather video", there is no way of turning a video with such a low quality in the video we can see on NASA's site, but it is easy to turn the NASA video into a lower quality one like the "grandfather" video.

Edited because I forgot to remove the end of Annunaki2012's post.

[edit on 8/12/2007 by ArMaP]

reply to post by ArMaP


You might be right, however as far as I see, the one guy running almost looks like a football player bumping in the other guy to get him away from something.

I mean, on the moon with a sensitive suite you wouldn't bump into the other with full velocity just for fun. He didn't just came in for a " hey hows going"
To me it looks like he is rescuing him from something, like to get away form the ladder. It looks like seeking shelter or something.

Having a fake audio it is hard to say what happened.

Maybe nasa tempered the video, and the other astronaut was the one on the right, and the guy on the ladder was the entity. I am not a specialist at all, but this video is extraordinary in my mind.

Holy crap !!

there is no way we landed on the moon in 1960's- sorry

you'd be a fool to believe that a space ship with the power of a microwave oven could get to the moon.

not to mention the fact that there are tapes from armstrong saying "they were warning us away from the moon"

they being "ufo's / extraterrestrials"

Did anyone notice the guy who bent over to pick something up (suit or no suit) looked like he was moving in slow motion?

The moon has 1/6 the gravity of Earth. If this was Venus, with its much stronger gravity, you would have a hard time lifting a limb up IMO. So to lower the strength of gravity, and see the reverse, doesn't add up to me. Even with restrictive suits, the lesser force of gravity would mean our muscles would have an easier time moving or lifting things. I am sure the suits are not designed to make them stiff and rigid. I don't think there was much to them in the 60's/70's, I remember reading something about how delicate they were and easy to tear.

There are video's of astronauts moving there fingers in STS missions in normal speed in LEO. Every apollo moon video I have seen makes every part of the astronaut move in slow motion. If anyone has any video's of fast moving limbs on the moon, please link them.

Originally posted by dj05544
not to mention the fact that there are tapes from armstrong saying "they were warning us away from the moon"

they being "ufo's / extraterrestrials"

Any link to these tapes? I have read he said this but failed to find evidence. I believe we did go to the moon; I believe Apollo 11 stayed in LEO. If it did indeed venture to the moon, maybe they were warned off by "us" masquerading as "UFO's".

Maybe that's why there's a couple of minutes missing from the original "live" (lol) broadcast of Apollo 11. A few minutes talk with the crew to explain an extraterrestrial presence had made the landing abort (fall back to plan b, film studio - which was the plan all along).

reply to post by mikesingh


...still no one on that "top secret" title page. I don't have any software to isolate the image to be able to read it any better. On pause, I really can't make any of it out. . .

ArMaP is probably right. It's such a waste of time to fake stuff like this. I often wonder why people bother.

as far as the blurry object moving from left to right then, back from right to left again.

I believe it's either a stationary rock, or equipment placed by the astronauts.

Why I believe it's stationary is because it only moves when the camera zoom out it move from left to right.

Holds position (apparently)

Then when the camera zooms in again in moves from roght to left, again in perfect sync with the zoom of the camera.

In my opinion it's just a rock, or a small piece of equipement, perhaps, the measuring device they left behind to be used with lasers. I saw it on discovery the other day it's not that big, but perhaps big enough to be seen in this clip.

Anyway, by their mesurements the moon is moving 'Away" from the earth at a rate of 1 and 1/2" per year. Pretty precise.


Also The obelisk was proven to be that solar wind collector definitively imo, by the picture posted by *Sherpa.

It's a upside-down L with the earm part being very short, with basically, a foil type material hanging from it to collect data. As the camera is panning over to the Astronaut, past the US flag, he has already removed the sheet of material, and has it folded up in his one hand, as he throws the very small light arm that was supporting the material like a javelin. So yea, Obelisk debunked.

*Edit to give credit to Sherpa

[edit on 8-12-2007 by Nola213]

Originally posted by Thill
No offence this is not to flame the sceptics , we really need your help on this one as usually the debunkers and sceptics are the best researchers

None taken. I've got nothing for you. I have no idea what is captured there.

I can offer a possible explanation although, I am not in any way in "the know" about video tape ins-and-outs. It does, to the totally untrained eye (mine) appear as though the unsuited person - perhaps - is superimposed over the original. I say this because, to me, the quality of image is better for this one person, than the rest of the footage.

Do I think we went to the moon? Yes, I think there is just too much evidence as well as the fact that the number of people that would have to be involved (in a cover up) would be massive.

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by internos

 

The last frame of 1704820 (frame 5980) is the same as frame 31 of video 1705138 (if I am not mistaken), and this frame (31 of video 1705138) can be seen at around 57 seconds of the"grandfather" video.

Judging from what I can see from the astronauts (I thought of using the time, but the speed may have been changed), the "person" should appear around second 5 from video 1705138, just before the astronaut behind the leg of the Lunar Module starts moving backward.

The video also says that the original is cropped, but it is consistent with the other videos, while the "grandfather" video is a little resized (smaller) to make enough space for the "person" that would appear on the right.

What i know, is that the video that they claim to be the "NASA version" is the one i've posted, they are the same. I didn't checked the other one, i'm going to do it now.

Edit to add: yes, so is.

About the "thing" that you were talking about, is it the one marked bellow?

Yes it is. I've already noticed that it seems to move with the camera movement, so it may be static.



[edit on 8/12/2007 by internos]

reply to post by anhinga





Bottom right reads-
REASON FOR EDIT: CIF
REC ACTION: Crop 4%

Internos

This is the video that appears after the "static" on the "grandfather" video.

It is difficult to see because that video has an extremely poor quality, but I think that what we can see while the "third party" appears on the right are the first frames of this video.

Originally posted by Nola213

Anyway, by their mesurements the moon is moving 'Away" from the earth at a rate of 1 and 1/2" per year. Pretty precise.


Also The obelisk was proven to be that solar wind collector definitively imo, by the picture posted by *Sherpa.

I agree. Sherpa's comment's on all of this was a "slam dunk" for me. Nola was the only one to agree with his observations on this. Am I missing something here because Sherpa's information is making a lot of sense to me. Should I have my head examined or what??

As far as the Moon moving further away from our planet like it is, thanks (Nola) for the info... wow! I wonder what effect this has on our planet. Very intriguing! Will do some research on that...