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Ron Paul likes and dislikes (Real opinions without media spin)

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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:02 PM
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I curious about what people really have to say about Ron Paul without media spin.
What are some of the reasons you like or dislike his views on current issues. Why do you think he would or would not be a good President.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by Digital_Reality]




posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:36 PM
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OK ill start.

First of all I like Ron Paul because he seems to really care about the American people. Can you really say that about ANY of the other potential nominees? The changes he wants to make all are FOR the people and about protecting our liberties.

He makes valid points about marriage being determined by the federal government. Its not right! And his views on the war are right on. Why should we keep going in debt as a country and police everyone when we cant even take care of ourselves( Katrina).

This man is a MD and he knows how the system sucks right now. Big pharma is the only one who is benefiting right now and its obvious. Its time to go in a different direction as a country. If we choose one of the other potential candidates we will only get more of the same. Can you honestly tell me you don't see what is happening to Ron Paul and the American people?

We are getting the shaft! Now tell me when you see one of his debates you don't feel in you heart that what he is saying is what we need as a country. Ron Paul is quite possible the real deal people. The one Presidential candidate that comes around that actually cares.


I just want to see other peoples opinions. This is just my opinion and how I feel. I want an idea of how many people are for him and why ,and how many are against him and why. Will you speak up?



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Your kidding! 45 views and not one person can speak up.
This thread is a prime example of how the Ron Paul issue is getting treated in the media. Total blackout! I'm just asking for an opinion from Americans about a possible president of our country. Does anyone have one? Not one measly ole opinion on the guy?



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:40 PM
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Im 100% for Ron Paul.
I like all his views.
I also think a good number of people on this forum like him and will vote in the primaries for him.

I know there are also some people who won't vote for him, and I think they made that choice because the media told them to.

Personally I think (and im going to get seriously flamed for this) if you don't vote for Ron Paul, then you are not a good American.
If you don't think the constitution is a worth while thing to defend then you should probably seek residence in another country. I am a Veteran and I swore to defend the constitution. I take that oath very literally. I defend it daily when I speak to people who think they can work around it like it was negotiable.

The majority of the people in government are a threat to the constitution. If they were to sit down and actually read it, they would understand why it was written. It should not be looked at as simply words on a parchment, it is a history lesson on why it was necessary to put it in writing.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:48 PM
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The whole secret to Ron Paul having a fighting chance is getting people to even know who is and what he stands for.

I will be voting for Ron Paul, because he has grasped the idea that the Constitution is the foundation of this nation. I do not 100% agree with everything he says, but it would be unreasonable to think that I would. I don't agree with 100% of everything my wife says either. (Though I'm smart enough not to voice those opinions too readily.
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Put out signs with "Google Ron Paul" on them. The more people see his name, the better his chance. (See the second link in my signature for this post.)



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:58 PM
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Thanks for responding. No flaming or arguing just opinions here. Who else has an opinion? Even if your against him you can be heard here.
If 90% of people on here say they would vote for him and they say on the news that he is down in the polls I know its bull. I just want a honest show of hands of who is for and who is against and why. I am tired of being lied to on the news.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by Digital_Reality]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by robwerden
Im 100% for Ron Paul.
I like all his views.
I also think a good number of people on this forum like him and will vote in the primaries for him.

I know there are also some people who won't vote for him, and I think they made that choice because the media told them to.

Personally I think (and im going to get seriously flamed for this) if you don't vote for Ron Paul, then you are not a good American.
If you don't think the constitution is a worth while thing to defend then you should probably seek residence in another country. I am a Veteran and I swore to defend the constitution. I take that oath very literally. I defend it daily when I speak to people who think they can work around it like it was negotiable.

The majority of the people in government are a threat to the constitution. If they were to sit down and actually read it, they would understand why it was written. It should not be looked at as simply words on a parchment, it is a history lesson on why it was necessary to put it in writing.



well said man. i mean why wouldn't they give him a try at this point. those who don't vote for him just get sucked into the MLK style speeches to used to soften you up and make you fall in love with them. but all they ever say is bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 07:12 PM
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i have no faith in voting. in fact, I'm embarrassed to say I voted in 2000. After that, I decided never to vote again, because it was pointless.

This time around, I will certainly be voting for Ron Paul. Not because i think it will do anything, but because it will make me feel great to say I voted for him later in the future after he dies, when we have really taken a dive.

Why do I like RP? because he's the only candidate, or politician at all for that matter, that I have ever heard that was so consistent AND agreeable to my own positions. I used to think I was a democrat, because of brainwashing. I realize I'm a republican. Ron Paul is a republican. Nobody else running is.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by scientist]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 07:15 PM
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i'm bummed i live in a big city and that my vote most likely won't count thanks for the electoral college.

i haven't read much on ron yet, but i did hear a small question and answer session with him and i have to say he spoke of a person with a level head. he spoke well and gave a positive message without all the rhetoric of the usual runners.

looking forward to getting more educated on ron. he *feels* like a good thing.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:02 PM
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Being a supporter of Ron Paul means i obviously will have more likes than dislikes, but i'll honor the integrity of the topic and be completely honest. no spin zone! heh.

In general i approve of his discipline in his voting record and his political ethics. Many politicians trade favors for power in the hopes that when they get that power they'll be able to make a positive difference. But i think a lot of those politicians end up being changed by the power and corruption, and most people will become susceptible to that over time. I appreciate that Ron Paul wants to make a difference on his terms and isn't willing to expose himself to that corruption. i think he has a healthy respect for power's ability to change people, and he does not want to owe any special interest favors if he does attain that position of power. he wants it his way, and he isn't going to compromise at this point.

I like that the Congressman believes in a minimized government role, and privatization of industries like education, welfare, social security and health care. i think there are a lot of issues that can be handled by private industry. Just look at the space program. Private industry is going to get ahold of that market and when they do, you'll see a massive leap in technology. We have a terrible education system in this country. At this point, i honestly don't see the harm in giving it to the free market and seeing what happens. I think a combination of non-profits, churches and private companies running schools all over the country would increase competition and lower costs for parents. Technology would be much more readily available to students, and we just might be able to compete with emerging nations in the next generation.

i agree with ron paul's support of state's rights. i believe the state should be able to make their own laws. some federal laws would of course still be in effect, but many social issues should not be the worry of federal government, especially in a world where we have to play more and more on the global stage. foreign policy is going to be a monster in the coming years and our federal government needs to focus their interests there instead of my wife's womb, or my neighbors marital status. Moreover, i think localized laws would bring more variety to our states, giving them each a bit more identity. Maybe we can get back some of that American culture we've so sorely been lacking.

I love the fact that Ron Paul can be a devout christian and not let that get in the way of his responsibilities. He believes the government should step out of our social lives and that the church should be the guiding force in society. While I personally do not plan on joining a church, i definitely agree that community should be the responsibility of social organizations, and the church is probably the largest of those.

I do not like Ron Paul's personal opinions regarding a woman's right to choose or gay marriage. I enjoy his politically conservative views, but not his social ones.

Like Ron Paul, i think America is ready for a little "me" time. We spend so much resources in other parts of the world to secure various interests we've come to depend on. Meanwhile, our dollar is on the verge of collapse, education has gone awry, and our federal government votes on whether Terry Shiavo's husband is allowed to pull the plug or not. I would love to see all of our troops leave every country in the nation. Fortify our borders, increase our border security and rebuild our influence through sound diplomacy. Maybe i'm being selfish, but i think before we can start helping the world in a way that is significant, we really need to work on America for awhile first.

So, turns out there isn't too much i don't like about the guy. I like that he has a blimp now. I think that's so weird and cool at the same time. It's entertaining, i'll give him that.


Originally posted by scientist
I used to think I was a democrat, because of brainwashing. I realize I'm a republican.


I recently came on the very same conclusion. My parents are democrats, i grew up in wisconsin which was generally democrat (milwaukee had the first socialist mayor), i married a democrat, i always assumed i was a democrat. i registered as an independent because i have too much disdain for the republican party at this point, but my views are definitely concservative with respect to government. This excludes social concerns of course.

[edit on 12/7/2007 by The Cyfre]



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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Ron Paul's politics put him in a unique position compared with other candidates. If you personally disagree with his social views, it hardly matters due to his position in the federal government. If he got his way, the making of laws governing social aspects would be delegated to the state governments, as they should be. If a particular state wants to ban abortion, or legalize gay marriage, they should be able to make that decision without interference from the federal government. The main focus of the national government should be upholding the constitution.

However, and this is my main worry, even if Ron Paul were to miraculously get the Republican nomination and the go on the win the presidency, how much change would he actually be able to enact? The Senate and the House are both dominated by Democrats and can effectively shoot down anything he proposes if they want to (with perhaps the exception of illegal wars, but RP doesn't seem too interested in starting another one.)

On the other hand, though, whether or not he gets elected, the fact that he's gotten this far and is gathering such a large following is good evidence that people are wanting change and are tired of big government. If he doesn't win this time, he has at the very least shown that candidates with his political views are viable options. He has planted a seed.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 08:55 AM
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I agree with RP on some points and disagree with him on others, my main beef is that he thinks we can just poof turn back the clock to 1787. This is 2007 and we have different threats and problems that require changes.

For example, I totally support him on his immigration and border security platform but I totally disagree with his proposal to dismantle the federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.



posted on Dec, 9 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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The point RP is making on those federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies is that they have grown too large and are too involved in our affairs. Just another part of the government nosing into our business. I don't believe that the FBI should be totally disintegrated, but I do believe it needs to be downsized. The ATF can be cut, their reputation is probably the lowest in our Federal Law Enforcement system. Ron Paul is simply trying to cut the fat we don't need in our spending because we don't need large bureaucracies draining our tax dollars. Ever wonder why we pay about 40% roughly of what we make? It's because of those large bureaucracies.

I think Paul is pretty much spot on on Foreign Policy, we don't need to police the world, but if someone messes with us or one of our allies we need to give them a moment of pause and step up with a show of force. Our military should be something that we use to deter potential enemies, not as the enforcer of our foreign policy. Don't get me wrong, we should protect our interests abroad, but we need to stay out of other peoples business unless that business is making war upon us.

He believes that the constitution should be interpreted directly and followed to the T. That's really all I needed to support him. He most likely won't win, but I'm still going to support him and vote for him. He deserves that from us for his willingness to come out and say some of the things he says. RP has big brass ones.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 01:50 AM
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I don't agree 100% with Ron Paul on everything and I don't idolize him, but I think he's the best we've got to get our country back.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 09:14 AM
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Not really anything bad to surface about him as of yet. He should totally be a front runner in the election unless he is just going to get royally screwed.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 10:01 AM
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To me RP is the next best thing to raising my rifle in support of a Jeffersonian 20 year revolution cycle without getting shot by the cops or thrown in their prison. Sooner or later though I'll get shot by the cops or thrown in prison. Oh well.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 10:11 AM
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Ive said it before and ill say it again. Its just mind boggling how its frowned upon for being a patriot nowadays. Anyone who wants to give back more freedoms to the American people or make this country great again is labeled a nut,weirdo,extremest or a terrorist. I still don't see how thinking along the lines of Ron Paul can get you stereotyped as a nut. I would think at this time in our nations history we would be all over someone like him.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 08:20 PM
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It was a difficult choice for me... I sat with the options in my mind and mulled them over for quite some time. I attempt not to agonize over decisions, as that just breeds an unhealthy worry in me that derails my thought process and cripples my decision making power, but in truth I did agonize over this for a short while. Even as I was typing these very words, I asked myself, "Am I serious? Am I completely for real? Would I really choose Ron Paul over buttered bread?"

Ron Paul > buttered bread

Yes... that is correct! You have straight from the TrueAce's mouth:
I would choose Ron Paul over buttered bread.

And I'm being completely 100% serious in my statement. If I knew for a fact that I could have Ron Paul as my president if I gave up buttered bread, I would do it now.

And just to have you know, I adore it (buttered bread FTW!). The equations with me comparing buttered bread to just about anything usually go in favor of buttered bread. For example: women's makeup? Buttered bread. Nike shoes? Buttered bread. Television? Buttered bread. Internal combustion engines? Buttered bread. Well... I guess we know that those gas-hogs are on the way out anway(or should be... *shakes fist at oil companies*), but still... it's the point that matters! I'd be willing to give up my spouse wearing makeup, myself wearing Nike shoes, watching television, or driving a gas-powered car for my buttered bread. That's saying a lot.

And yet - yes indeed! My buttered bread could be given up in lieu of Ron Paul leading us back to Constitutional law in the U.S. of America! But like I said, I almost didn't go through with it and was about to change it to something else instead of my beloved buttered bread... but I know in this world that sacrifices must be made sometimes... I know that if the choice ever came down to it... I would use the old Nike motto and just do it. Period.

Until I know it does, however, methinks I'll continue to enjoy buttered bread in all of its buttery and wholesome glory.



On a slightly more related note, there isn't much to say about why I choose him over all the other cardboard cutouts - everyone has nailed it for me. Like some others mentioned, I do not necessarily agree with him on every issue, but the fact that everything I disagree with would be affairs of state only increases my respect for him. His voting record is pristine and untouchable, his nickname in congress (Dr. No) is well-placed and everything he has ever voted no for was only because it was against what the Constitution called for (i.e. it was a state issue rather than a federal one). He is well-meaning, honest, likable, charismatic, has been married to the same woman for over 40 years (WTG Dr. and Mrs. Paul!), honest (did I mention that already?), and is willing to represent the TRUE voice of the American (er, United Statesian) people!

Like I said on another thread in so many words, the choices of ALL candidates boils down to this:

If you want to keep the Constitution and go back to making most issues a matter of states rights, VOTE RON PAUL!

If you want to forge ahead into a 'brave new world' and draft a new charter for the U.S. that is all gung-ho about continuing our merry trek down the road of federalization, VOTE ANYONE ELSE!

This is the clearest choice for a United States citizen in the history of all the primaries I've ever had the 'joy of participating in (and probably for my father as well as his father's father). The rhetoric has been swept away, the political mud has cleared, and this is our (perhaps last) chance to claim our right to have a say and prepare ourselves before the final blow is struck by the powerhungry-elite to our beloved nation...

I hear Ron Paul is death-proof BTW...
So glad to disappoint you scientist.



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 10:34 PM
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I don't like his voting record...

Plain and simple...

No matter how you explain it away, his votes have not been consistent with many of my core beliefs...

I do like his stance on many issues, taxes for one, but there are too many times I think he overcompensates in an effort to appear more hard line and in so doing good people and good programs suffer...

I'll not be voting for him in the Primary, but if he wins the Primary, I will of course support him in the General...

Semper



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 09:49 AM
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Maybe his voting record is like it is because of the passing of laws by proxy. Kinda like a bill for better school lunches for children and piggy backing a law to go in your house and slap your momma. He votes no to the school lunch bill and the media turns it around on him and with a little spin whala! He is a bad guy who hates children. When in reality he does not support your momma getting slapped (without a warrant)
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Politicians are so deceptive when it comes to getting things done. penitential Presidents sell their soul before getting elected. Thats the only way to get elected sadly. Promises to back certain bills/laws in the interest of certain parties in order to get donations and votes. After its all said and done there are no more original ideas left that the president can implement because he has to back everyones ideas who put him in office. Its called selling out and I don't see Ron Paul selling out. Thats why he is getting no play in the media and everywhere else.



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