Originally posted by masqua
The snows have come early this year, but it's due to the latest La Nina event.


[edit on 7/12/07 by masqua]

The latest La Nina event. So you will admit that there is a pattern there? It comes and it goes. Can it be predicted? You bet it can.

WHY???

CYCLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear ya, Infact I think when you say weather what you mean is regular Seasonal Changes. I have only been alive for 20 years but from what I remember some years back they called global Warming "El Nino" and global Cooling "La Nina" then when they decided to fire the latino working in the research center they came up with Global warming, and global cooling.

Welcome to earth, Population 3Billion and growing, here you will find 4 seasons and the occasionally "Unusual" Storm. Enjoy your stay, if you need anything please don't bother asking me.

Originally posted by traderonwallst
it just go to say that climate change in more cyclical than something we effect, can control or can fix.

Effect or control? Of course we do. You could put a toy sailboat on a lake and it will move but you can also push it and make it go faster. That's what we're doing with GW. It may go in cycles but we're doing our damnedest to help it along.

Fix it? Maybe, maybe not but we could and should do what we can to not add to the situation.

I cannot believe the ignorance of people who are ready to decry the science of global warming whenever they get a few cool "goose bumps." Its about climate change, and this predicts highly variable and unpredictable weather. 1000's of the worlds top scientists are now in complete agreement that climate change is real AND IS MAINLY BEING CAUSED BY MAN (this time around).

It is easy to track the most recent changes to the industrialization era, and since that time we have increased CO2 by around 30%...and CO2 is a greehouse gas... and greenhouse gases reflect solar energy back to the earth... and duh!...what about this don't people get??

Folks that still will not believe what the scientists are saying are "flat earthers" and should also argue with their doctors, chemists, biologists, and all other scientists. Quite believing what Rush Limbaugh, Michael Crichton, Shawn Hannity, and fox news claims to know about this subject and START LISTENING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO STUDY THIS DAILY are saying!

[edit on 7-12-2007 by whatsup]

thanks for that convincing rebuttal and explanation. I prefer the James Lovelock - Ages of Gaia theory over any of that. According to "science" (that term is a joke in this context) our earth should have died out many times over by now.

How about putting more focus into specific problems, instead of these fabricated abstract concepts like 'global warming.'

Originally posted by scientist
How about putting more focus into specific problems, instead of these fabricated abstract concepts like 'global warming.'

May I ask why you say they are "fabricated"?

Originally posted by masqua
The North American continent isn't the entire earth, though, so comparing the weather in the northern parts of North America to the Global Warming issue is a bit of a stretch, imo.

It isn't just North America. The southern hemisphere has been cooler as well. Global temperatures have been trending flat to down. 2007 looks to be like 2006. Perhaps slightly cooler. 2008 will start with a la nina where 2007 started with an el nino. So 2008 will likely be cooler than 2007. It is part of an overall downward trend since 1998.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by scientist
How about putting more focus into specific problems, instead of these fabricated abstract concepts like 'global warming.'

May I ask why you say they are "fabricated"?

It's a play on words. Instead of saying "pollution" which is something tangible and addressable, they come up with something far more vast and abstract, like 'global warming." What is that exactly? A process? A result? A theory? It's an abstract concept, that was created, or fabricated, to divert attention from taking any real action.

It's like the war on drugs, or the war on terrorism. now it's the war on global warming.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by scientist]

how about this graph

Global Warming is a fact, but what's causing it, and how severe the warming is and will become is up for debate... I'm no expert on the subject but I find the idea that Carbon Dioxide is the cause to be ludicrous. CO2 is essential to life on this planet, its what plants turn into oxygen, so how can it be leading us toward catastrophe? Sounds like a gimmick to charge somebody money and make obscene profits on a theory not soundly agreed upon... I think media attention and cartoonish films like The Day After Tomorrow have caused an air of fear about Global Warming when the temperature isn't rushing up, as far as I know not a single person has died from Global Warming so where's the fire? Seems like a gradual rise in temperature is all it is, and Earth has had tons of those cycles, everything from Tropical Pangean jungles teeming with dinosaurs to massive ice sheets during the ice age...

I'll admit that pollution is bad and that human beings need to develop more respect for nature or it might bite back, but Global Warming is seriously over-hyped

Now I may be wrong, but one thing is for certain, charging money, and living in fear that Global Warming is going to kill us all, is not going to help solve the issue...