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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 12:42 PM
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i DO think we went to the moon, and i think armstrong saw UFOs there too... but i do think the footage that was shone to the general public was completely fake. There are too many anomalies, and the sun reflections dont look like the sun either.




posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Matthew5012
The rockets that made the landing possible in the first place should have left quite a mess when the craft landed....they didn't, not on any of the photos or video's of the moon landings.

As I stated above, the Landers only were in contact with each area as they passed over them, they landed on a sloped trajectory, and did leave disrupted surface dust in a swath for a distance prior to landing. They only hovered for a short period at the very end of their decent. Also the Lander only weighed about 6K in the moons gravitational field, so only about 1 to 2K lbs of thrust were required to keep the vertical descent speed at a safe level. That is less force then driving a pickup truck over the rock.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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I can perfectly understand why the man would want to fake it, but in this case, the conspiracy theorists didnt make it....

All the so called "evidence" that is put before me in these documentaries, are quite easily debunked by pure logick and a LITTLE bit of physics and understanding of certain things... All the things I've seen so far concerning this is purly the lack of the latter....
Some of the claims are just stupid.... like the flag thing..... when the guy is obviously screwing or/and jolting the flag into the ground, its supose to be dead still? ...just coz there is no atmosphere (actually I've heard there is a thin atmosphere, but neveremind that) what? only if the flag was made of cardboard or something, it would be still...

And the multiple lightsource thing.... Yes.... I dont know if u have noticed but the moon has actually got a quite REFLECTIVE surface..... yes, thats why you see it in the sky at night and EVEN at DAY.... and there are hills on the moon..... I think thats enough said.

I could go on and on (even without mathematical formulas) but rest of the members have allready started chewing this up pretty good, in better detail then I would care to.

I simply DONT KNOW if the moonlanding was fake or not. I can understand why it would be, but I dont see any good evidence that it has.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Terrapop
Well, well ... and what do you think about this offical picture of TWO moon buggy's on the moon at the same time:

history.nasa.gov...



Looks to me like a cut and paste job. Look at the wheels of both boogies. they match in hub oriented position to hub oriented position flawlessly. Ya think the presentation of the photo would have at least cut and paste the wheels to look off some what from the duplicate.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by WorldShadow
Looks to me like a cut and paste job. Look at the wheels of both boogies. they match in hub oriented position to hub oriented position flawlessly. Ya think the presentation of the photo would have at least cut and paste the wheels to look off some what from the duplicate.


But what about the rest of the vehicles? Cameras are at completely different angels. Equipment is not at the same angel. I also disagree with the wheels matching exactly. The left vehicle's rear axle appears to be a few more degrees counterclockwise. So, using cut and paste, they some how rotated the angles the cameras and equipment are at. Not sure I buy that...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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Great catch man!

Seriously, there are some really astute members here at ATS. I would never have caught that.

Peace



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:45 PM
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Even with the Japanese moon thing... NASA will be working with Japan to cover up any or doctor the photos to show or not show the LEM remains on the moon.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:54 PM
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Everything is a coverup and the whole world is in on it? cmon..where does the line go? No matter how many countries go to the moon, they will always be in on "it" with USA? If its like that, you would only believe if you went to the moon yourself? And then we would say that you are in "it" also covering it up. endless conspiracy of bull#. theres nothing in the moon.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:15 PM
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I will disagree with the "cut and paste" job though. In all likelihood everything in those pictures are models. Each rover and astronaut is a duplicate, the only difference is that one of the astronauts' right arms was moved to make the picture look more authentic.

Peace


[edit on 7-12-2007 by Dr Love]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by tep200377
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So your strongest argument is that its _impossible_ for NASA to picture two buggies in the same photo because they state that each of the buggies was intended to be used in separate missions ?

I can't see how that is a strong argument ?


I'm simply saying that according to the quoted material one buggy was used per mission. Either the quoted material is factually inaccurate as it is written, or the use of two buggies couldn't have happened...

I didn't say it was a strong argument I simply stated that the information quoted to show there were multiple buggies in use also documents that only one was used per mission...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by amitheone
At 15:35 No Blast Crater

You can't have blast crater when there is no oxygen. Without oxygen, there will be no traces of black oxides to be observed but only melted glass from heating the fine powder sand on the moon.

In space, you can only have an impression of a crater during a forceful impact by space debris, but not during a very carefully controlled landing and take off. All it does is sift the sand like a high pressure compressed air. The aircraft only weighs about 1/6th its original weight on Earth so you don't need that much energy to blast it off. A blast crater is totally impossible in this situation.

We are dealing with almost weightless (1/6th of Earth's gravity) and airless environment. We should not explain things according to what we experience on Earth. They are totally different environment.

Why all these conspiracies? Are they trying to skew the truth? Trying to hide something whats really on the moon?

Edit: Added info - 1/6th and airless

[edit on 6-12-2007 by amitheone]


If there is no oxygen for the blash to push, how does the rocket even take off in the first place? The mear fact that the rocket is capable of pushing the craft up in the lack of oxygen means that the same rocket creates a displacement thrust... Close enough to the surface, this should still cause a noticable amount of dust displacement under the craft...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by blueyedevil666
wow..talk about insulting the ingenuity of man. Its already been busted, the idea that we never went to the moon and it was faked, why are people still harping on this topic? I suppose man wasn't clever enough to build any of the original 8 wonders of the world either? or that it wasn't a man at all that harnessed the power of the sun long before the digital age? or even that it wasn't a very gay man that conquered the known world by the tender age of 18? come on this thread/topic is insulting to the scientific community and you should be ashamed of yourself for believing we never went to the moon.


You can't use an unrelated fact being true to somehow justify another argument.

But on that note: Since the government knowingly liked about Roswell being nothing more than a weather balloon, how can we believe them when they said we went to the moon???



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by yahn goodey
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moon landing and walking on moon by usa faked ? i guess you might even think that if the japanese and chinese show us pictures of the footprints and equipment left behind that their pictures will be fakes also----------i dont think even the russians are the least bit sceptical about the usa's success.


Can you link the photos????

I was unaware that these existed...

[edit on 12/7/2007 by bobbyt]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
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We don’t even need that proof, there is equipment that we left up there to measure the distance to the moon by bouncing laser beams off the reflectors.


Is it possible that secretive moon probes were sent to deposit these to lay foundation for claim???

I've always believed that this was in fact a posability. Send unmanned probes (launched secretly somehow) and have them deposit evidence of the visits...

[edit on 12/7/2007 by bobbyt]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
I agree with your post 100%. To say that we "never" went is false. The footage shown to the public way back in the day was fake. We've been there, but it was done covertly, without the public's knowledge. There is a secret space program, of this I have no doubt. To what extent NASA's involved with it is another question.


This is actually what I believe...

I always wondered if anybody shared this view, as it was a belief I came upon by myself... At least I now know I'm not the only one...

[edit on 12/7/2007 by bobbyt]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by WorldShadow

Originally posted by Terrapop
Well, well ... and what do you think about this offical picture of TWO moon buggy's on the moon at the same time:

history.nasa.gov...



Looks to me like a cut and paste job. Look at the wheels of both boogies. they match in hub oriented position to hub oriented position flawlessly. Ya think the presentation of the photo would have at least cut and paste the wheels to look off some what from the duplicate.



The thing that makes this most odd is the fact that this is housed on NASA's site, meaning the picture comes directly from NASA... Unless NASA is photoshopping images & releasing them, this is kind of an imposability...

[edit on 12/7/2007 by bobbyt]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by TLomon

Originally posted by WorldShadow
Looks to me like a cut and paste job. Look at the wheels of both boogies. they match in hub oriented position to hub oriented position flawlessly. Ya think the presentation of the photo would have at least cut and paste the wheels to look off some what from the duplicate.


But what about the rest of the vehicles? Cameras are at completely different angels. Equipment is not at the same angel. I also disagree with the wheels matching exactly. The left vehicle's rear axle appears to be a few more degrees counterclockwise. So, using cut and paste, they some how rotated the angles the cameras and equipment are at. Not sure I buy that...


Ok, where are the buggies tread marks on the surface. The moon boogie on the right is the same on the left only the photo was shot from the angle the photographer was walking around the target from behind. First a shot was taken of the angled rear, than a shot was done at full side view. the boogy never moved but the astrosuited human did. one of those boogie shots is cut and pasted into 1 shot. Look to the left of the image. you will see astrosuited human tracks walking from a contraption behind the boogie. The difference in the wheel is from the angle shots taken. the boogies never moved, just the angle they were photographed from.

Edit: Misspelled photograhed. The rest is unpurpose.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by WorldShadow]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:47 PM
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how many subjects of the same thing are going to be posted again and again

just do a search first folks, instead of new topics being rehashed over and over and over



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
reply to post by WorldShadow
 


I will disagree with the "cut and paste" job though. In all likelihood everything in those pictures are models. Each rover and astronaut is a duplicate, the only difference is that one of the astronauts' right arms was moved to make the picture look more authentic.

Peace


[edit on 7-12-2007 by Dr Love]


Since there appears to be no tire tracks from either vehicle and the whole thing looks to clean. Possible!. Now look at the tires of both vehicles. you will see the same dark patch in place on the side walls.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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yes it crossed my mind to mention the laser light reflectors placed there by the astronauts but then i guessed some would say they had been placed there by robot probes---------and sure enough i see this now at least once----------i dont think it's possible for us all to believe------------unless the disbelievers are sent there-----------i hope they get to go!



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