reply to post by Kacen
Hey Kacen! Sorry for the late reply. I had gone to sleep for the night. As far as I can tell, the women being the twin-halves of men can refer to any
number of things: The fact that the Quran says that God created everything in pairs, to emphasise the importance of marriage in Islam, etc.
As for the other Hadith, like I said, I don't have it, so I can't really tell. There are of course, many things that Muhammad did that were not
meant to be taken as an example. For instance, there is a Hadith where Muhammad said (while eating), that he liked Vinegar. Or there is another Hadith
where Muhammad said that he disliked eating reptiles (snakes, lizards, turtles, etc.), and another Hadith that mentioned that Muhammad had a black
shawl that he was attached to. This certainly doesn't mean that we should be quaffing vinegar in huge quantities, or that we should never try eating
reptiles, or that we should only have black shawls. Certain schools of thought (wahabiism for example) do say that we should live our lives EXACTLY as
Muhammad did 1500 years ago (no technology, no progress, etc). This is completely out of sync with the Quran.
reply to post by blueyedevil666
Can you tell me where you got that from? Because it has been posted before, and unfortunately, I have to say, it is a lot of nonsense. Let me clarify
a few things:
The Gospel of Jesus does not exist today in an uncorrupted form. There is no Gospel today about which we can say "Jesus wrote/dictated that". While
there may originally have been such a thing (Q?), it certainly does not exist today. The Quran when talking about the 'Injeel' (Gospel of Christ) is
referring to what he originally taught, which muslims believe is not the same as what Christians today practice.
On a side note: You mention that God is eternally the father of the Son, but the Bible disagrees with you. The very word 'begotten' means
to create, or to father, or to sire. You can't have something 'eternally begotten' (and I have not seen this term in the Bible).
The 'Muhammad says' stuff is pretty out there (and untrue), and you (or the place you copied that from) does not seem to be aware of the fact that
'Jihad' most definitely does not mean 'killing and fighting'. As for the verses you quoted, it is quite easy to check up and find out (by reading
a few lines before and after) that it is talking about during a time of war.
There is no such alternative as 'Non-believers have to pay tax or die'. There are many situations where Jizya is waived (when it is not a time of
war, when the rulers cannot actually provide protection, when the person decides to join the fight instead of paying Jizya, etc).
About your 'list' with the countries, I apoligise, but I can't do anything but laugh. Some of that stuff is so silly. Besides, what a
country/individual may or may not have done has little bearing with what the Quran and Hadith say.
About your comparison of Muhammad and Jesus, first off, I don't think it is a valid comparison. Jesus lived in relatively peaceful times, under a
civilised authority (The Romans) and had free reign to preach as he wished. Muhammad lived in a society of only recently settled nomads, with no
controlling/overseeing civilisation, and constant tribal wars.
* All Muslims agree that Muhammad was never prophesied: I don't know where you got this idea, but it is untrue. Muslims all agree that Muhammad was
prophesied in almost all the scriptures before him.
* Muhammad never performed any miracles: Yes, Muhammad said his biggest miracle was the Quran (and if you read it considering it was written 1500
years ago, yes it is pretty unbelievable), but it is wrong to say he never performed any miracle. He was asked by the Pagans of Mecca to do something
as proof that he was a Prophet. He then split the moon in two, and then combined it together again. Of course, the Meccans said the same thing you'd
probably say if you had known about it: Muhammad was a sorceror (and you'd go on to quote how Jesus warned against false prophets and their miracles:
see, whichever way you go, you can't win with some people).
* Muhammad certainly didn't go on 80 war campaigns, even the wiki article (which seems to have added occasions that were not even battles) has many
fewer than that, and a link a few pages up limited it to 9, and if his aim was to spread Islam across borders and as far as possible, he would have
had battles against countries outside Arabia, which he never did. And as I mentioned before, Jesus did not have to go into any battle, because he
lived in pretty peaceful times. A better comparison would be Abraham or Moses who were their community's religious as well as political leaders. And
both of them lived in pretty uncivilised times, where they had to fight for their survival.
Comparison over, and on to your other points: No country in the world today imposes Jizya tax. However, there is no country in the world today that
can be called an 'Islamic country'. Also, I don't know where you got the Hadith about muslims killing each other from, it is obviously nonsense,
because both Ali and Uthman died much after the death of Muhammad, so he couldn't have commented on their deaths.
reply to post by yahn goodey
Hey Yahn Goodey. This is also a misconception. Friday is not the sabbath day of the muslims, it is just the day of the week when they have
congregational prayers. The idea of making it a holiday (when you don't have to work) came later. According to the Quran, the forcing of the Sabbath
day was removed by Allah, and was only for the communities before that time (You can remember how outraged the Pharisees got when they perceived Jesus
breaking the Sabbath).
reply to post by laiguana
Laiguana, see my point about the meaning of Jihad in my reply to blueeyeddevil