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Muhammad - Prophet or Profiteer of God?

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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 09:15 AM
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Reply to blueorder

each one will be instilled to afford Islam no respect

Imagine if one of them started to like Islam and converted to become Muslim!haha you will probably have a fit and end up in mental hospital!!!




posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by kangjia57
Reply to blueorder

each one will be instilled to afford Islam no respect

Imagine if one of them started to like Islam and converted to become Muslim!haha you will probably have a fit and end up in mental hospital!!!


Imagine one of your sprogs was gay, now that would be funny, although probably not for the child if you ever go mountaineering with them!

I don't hate the individual, but I dont respect the religion- that is the way it works in the west, freedom you see



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:03 AM
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Reply to blueorder

Imagine one of your sprogs was gay, now that would be funny, although probably not for the child if you ever go mountaineering with them!

I don't hate the individual, but I dont respect the religion- that is the way it works in the west, freedom you see

If I found out if one of my ‘sprogs’ was gay than I would disown him here and if in Sharia law I will take care of him according to shariat! But heh if they knew how strict Islam is and they knew their dad is hardcore on it.Than matey they will also know how to behave.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by kangjia57
If I found out if one of my ‘sprogs’ was gay than I would disown him here and if in Sharia law I will take care of him according to shariat! But heh if they knew how strict Islam is and they knew their dad is hardcore on it.Than matey they will also know how to behave.



Ditto for any daughter of mine and Islam- QED matey!



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:22 AM
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Research has been done that suggests that some people who identify as gay can't help it.

While it is not proven ether way, and I'm of the personal belief there are variables involved, theres a good chance many people are just gay for whatever reason, and they can't help their feelings.

If you find out homosexuality is not a choice, then do you still approve of killing them?

If your answer is yes, that is the equivalent of racism.

Mind you and everyone else here how hard it was for me to keep myself from exploding in this thread reading kangjia57's posts since I last was here, as they really infuriated me, since they basically stated my friends should be murdered no matter how nice or tolerant of people they may be.

Hey, anyone remember iori, the guy who was banned? He was homosexual and defended Islam, believing that it was wrong to stereotype them all as extremists (He was atheist btw).

Seems to me from a shallow observation, much like other typical die-hard socialist liberals I guess he was out of his mind and hypocritical, not realizing he was defending something that wanted him killed.

Or, Beachcoma, enlighten me, please don't make me loose hope. I haven't remembered seeing you challenge any of kangjia57's opinions and that worries me...if you would I think it would help keep people here from being anti-Islamic...

*takes a deep breath and says pagan prayer* I'm keeping myself calm...I hope I don't explode...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:32 AM
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worse than that, he supports shariah execution of any of his own children (if by a horrible quirk of fate he has some) who would happen to be gay.

You are right about some of the bedfellows who turn on anyone who dares to criticise Islam- some of the "anti war" marches in london had a strange alliance of islamists and leftists, to the point that leftists (who 30-40 years ago were trumpetting womens' rights) were instructing the women at the march to cover up so as not to offend the muslims!

[edit on 7-12-2007 by blueorder]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:46 AM
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I don't enough about all the Hadiths and all the various interpretations of Sharia. I will say that kangjia's interpretation seems irrationally extreme to me. Personally I will have to go with babloyi's thoughts on the matter (that it is looked down upon gravely), since I don't put much stock on Sharia law either -- it was invented years after the death of Muhammad and the Sahabbah (companions). The only thing that matters to me is the Qur'an and the two primary Hadiths -- Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

On the issue of gays -- yes, I have read plenty of scientific papers on the matter and I am aware that it exists even in nature -- certain fruit bats for example. I still think it's not right, although I bear no ill will towards those who practice homosexuality. If I were in their shoes (as in if I carry the homosexual predisposition), I will simply suppress it and live my live straight, as I would look upon it as a challenge or test, if you will, from God. The fact that God has given us such mental prowess compared to animals means we have the ability to deny urges that other creatures cannot. This includes the urge to act barbaric, uncivilised and childish.

PS -- Iori was my friend, too. Any idea why he got banned? If you do let me know via U2U.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:58 AM
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Research has been done that suggests that some people who identify as gay can't help it.

Impossible matey! Trust me on this one!Theres no SOLID evidence to prove it and I mean NONE and there wont be no matter how much science and tech advances.

as they really infuriated me, since they basically stated my friends should be murdered no matter how nice or tolerant of people they may be.

Like I said before Islam doesn’t allow dirt in muslim society and teaches us how to ELIMINATE it!

please don't make me loose hope

I am not hear to take care of your hope! Gain it or loose it your choice matey! I am stating hard facts according to Islam and punishments for the dirty sin called ‘homosexuality’.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:00 AM
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The Real Muhammad :

Butcher, Rapist, pedophile, Oportunist, Murderer, Lier.

These are just some of the things that Muhammad was.

He Used religion to gain support so that he could rampage across the middle east looting & pillaging decent people.

He butchered & Raped 10,000's of Christian & jewish Women in the socalled name of Allah.

He took great delight in watcing young Christian & Jewish women being decapitated as entertainement, while he dined& then had their bodies dismembered & fed to the dogs, & the .s displayed upon Spears.

His Words of wisdome included that those who refuse Islam & ultimately "HIM", must be slaughtered, for they are infidels & barbarians & know not the ways of peace...lol

Even his allies who were not muslims would eventually be slaughtered once the crusade was over.

This was a man who turned what might have been a peacful religion into the fanatical Islam we see today, in the form od blown up School busses, Shopping malls, & a multitude of other civilian targets.

The very existance of Islam is the destruction & extermination of any who refuse islam "Muhammad's own words as are written in the Qoran".

I heare time & time again from Muslims who say the words of Muhammad are miss enterprited, but have never actually heard a muslim describe what the meanings actually are..lol



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder
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You are right about some of the bedfellows who turn on anyone who dares to criticise Islam- some of the "anti war" marches in london had a strange alliance of islamists and leftists, to the point that leftists (who 30-40 years ago were trumpetting womens' rights) were instructing the women at the march to cover up so as not to offend the muslims!


This is precisely what I'm talking about, it makes absolutely no sense! Heck just yesterday I was looking at a pagan forum to join, browsing the posts and I saw a post stating "We need to show Bush that we pagans don't approve of going to war with Iran!" a country that would have a pagan killed, or at least deported despite being relatively liberal, compared to Saudi Arabia for instance.

You know, I hate to say this, but this reminds me of a quote Ann Coulter once made. First of all I'd like to say I hate her, but still what she once said made sense.

I don't remember the exact words, but basically she said something along the lines that liberals are stupid for supporting Muslims when they should realize that if they discussed matters with the average Muslim they would probably hate them and disagree with them on everything.

She used it to demonize liberals and portray them as hypocritical idiots, and she grossly generalized, but for a lot of people, she sadly was right on the bat with that quote!

Though such a thing could be turned around to demonize the conservatives as being hypocrites as well, though if I went into details I'd be straying off topic...

[edit on 12/7/2007 by Kacen]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:02 AM
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Muhammad - The father of Terrorism



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Ironclad
I heare time & time again from Muslims who say the words of Muhammad are miss enterprited, but have never actually heard a muslim describe what the meanings actually are..lol


Never heard or would not hear? It's been posted on this thread and others...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:13 AM
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Butcher, Rapist, pedophile, Oportunist, Murderer, Lier.
These are just some of the things that Muhammad was.

The prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was send as a Mercy to the world and we Muslims are mere slaves of him!

the fanatical Islam we see today, in the form od blown up School busses, Shopping malls, & a multitude of other civilian targets.

When people loose their family members,their houses,their lands than they are the ones who take extreme actions.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:15 AM
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Muhammad - The father of Terrorism

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)-The Father of Peace



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:17 AM
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Yeah, I see what his peace has brought to the table



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by kangjia57
The prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was send as a Mercy to the world and we Muslims are mere slaves of him!


Responding to underlined bit: Bro, that's wrong. We're servants of Allah. Not Muhammad. We respect and honour him, we don't serve or worship him. You're sending the wrong message out here.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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Responding to underlined bit: Bro, that's wrong. We're servants of Allah. Not Muhammad. We respect and honour him, we don't serve or worship him. You're sending the wrong message out here.

Yup SORRY!i was gona type Allah (subhanawatalaah) but mistaken it.Indeed we only respect and honour him!



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:28 AM
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Keep correcting me if you think I am going wrong and giving out the wrong message!Thanks matey!



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Beachcoma
If I were in their shoes (as in if I carry the homosexual predisposition), I will simply suppress it and live my live straight, as I would look upon it as a challenge or test, if you will, from God.




That's easy for any of us to say being straight. WE don't have to suppress anything. Imagine for a moment that all of the sudden a new interpretation was discovered by scholars of YOUR religion, and had placed a new mandate (pun intended) that you become a homosexual because only direct descendents of a few individuals considered holy were permitted to be straight and breed. The rest, as a test of faith, are forced to convert to homosexuality to show their devotion to god by going against their natural urges to please god. Would you suppress your straightness and cuddle up to a hairy man every night to please YOUR god? This goes for kangjia as well, what if your imam told you they have discovered that Muhammed commanded all but a few men (for breeding purposes) to become gay? Would you do Allah's will then?



The fact that God has given us such mental prowess compared to animals means we have the ability to deny urges that other creatures cannot. This includes the urge to act barbaric, uncivilised and childish.


No, we were given that prowess in order to progress and spread the seed of man throughout the universe. Unfortunately, we are not using it as intended, because of divisions WE create with relgion, nationality, etc. We're using our prowess right now to debate that which we are NOT MEANT to know in this stage if life...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:39 AM
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Who wants to bet my above question is sidestepped or dodged completely by our religious friends?



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