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Originally posted by Flyer
Im not even sure what an outgroup is but it depends on the words used.
Youll have to give men instances of the context and words used for me to make up my mind.
Originally posted by skibtz
reply to post by Flyer
Calling someone a 'stupid woman' is sexist and asking for trouble.
Originally posted by melatonin
I study prejudice and racism, so what you were saying was, basically, that I am also racist, just for considering that people do associate outgroups with negative labels. That when I accept that generally calling certain people 'paki' can be viewed of as racist/prejudicial, I must be racist myself.
Originally posted by melatonin
Thus, assaulting someone is a crime, assaulting them whilst calling them a 'paki' etc is a racially aggravated assault. Even if they are incorrect in their judgment of social group (i.e., the person was indian), it shouldn't matter. The intent was there.
Originally posted by Flyer
No its not, its not any worse than calling her stupid. Ive seen plenty of women use this term on other women, it doesnt mean they are sexist.
Ive used similar terms against other men, its just a description, nothing more.
Originally posted by Flyer
If you automatically assume Im a racist for using that term then youd be wrong.
Originally posted by Flyer
It depends, if I use that term as a shortened term for Pakistani as I use the term Aussies for a shortened term for Australian and Brits etc.
If you automatically assume Im a racist for using that term then youd be wrong.
"paki" when used in that context is generally considered an insult, "English" has never been considered and insult unless of course you must hate the English, hence why I said the judge is probably racist.
It should still be the same sentence. The funny thing in this case, the word bitch should have been seen of more of an insult, why wasnt he bought up on sexism charges?
and thats just the reason why its used in that context, take away the offence caused and the word becomes powerless.
Originally posted by skibtz
Sorry Flyer, if I heard anyone say that word, then 'racist' would be the first word I would be thinking of.
Originally posted by melatonin
Such issues are being given special attention for good reasons. Prejudice and racism are a scourge on society. It affects society at every level. And as such it deserves special attention. It should not be tolerated in schools, in work, in crime, anywhere. And this is one way to get the message across.
Originally posted by Flyer
No it isnt, it just devalues the real racist cases, ones where employers wont employ black people or kids are beaten up because their colour of their skin.
Thats a much better way of combating it than running off to the police because then the guy has achieved his goal of offending you.
Originally posted by Flyer
All this stupid over the top racism stuff just empowers the racists and actually helps them achieve their goal.
Me, I dont see how the word should be any different from the word Aussie or the word Brit, its just a shortened version of a country name.
Originally posted by melatonin
Maybe it is. But a zero tolerance approach has made the situation uncomfortable for racists. And I quite like that.
Originally posted by Flyer
...just devalues the real racist
Originally posted by Flyer
When the person is actually racist
not when people say something others consider offensive.
If you call someone a fat bastard in the heat of the moment, it doesnt mean you hate all fat people, does it?
Originally posted by skibtz
What is actually racist? Just a little bit racist?
Are you seriously saying there was no racist undertow to the man's comments when he used nationality to offend her?
Originally posted by skibtz
Some people couldn't give a sh*t that they are 'stupid'
My viewpoint is that because you do not choose what nationality/race/colour you are, you should not have to defend these attributes.