Racial slur as man calls Welsh woman "English", page 3
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reply posted on 5-12-2007 @ 05:51 PM by skibtz
reply to post by Flyer


Wrong Flyer.

Racism relates to race, colour or nationality.

Check out:United Nations

Quite simply, the victim felt she was racially abused. It is irrelevant if you think she wasn't.

As for the War on Racism - at least unlike the War on Terror, it is real.

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reply posted on 5-12-2007 @ 06:15 PM by Flyer
reply to post by skibtz


I know that but the word English is not racist in any way, shape or form. Hence she was not racially abused.


reply posted on 5-12-2007 @ 06:31 PM by melatonin
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Can a Brit please explain to me what the actual animosity is between the Welsh and the English? Is there a history of violence between the two? I'm going to London next month and don't want to upset anyone with an offhand comment without knowing the history behind it.

Thanks


Lots of history involved in this, hundreds of years of it actually.

The difference beyween Wales and Scotland is that wales was actually conquered in the 13th century by the English, and Edward I built his ring of castles to keep the locals under his thumb. This is why the union jack contains no evidence of Wales.

The welsh fought against the occupation a couple of hundred years later, even gaining a degree of independence, but, again, were subdued. The language was restricted for a long time.

Wales still retains its own identity, culture, and language. And over the last hundred years or so has become quite nationalistic - to the extent of burning down English holiday homes for a while. Has calmed a bit over the last 20 years, but there is still lots of graffiti of the likes of 'colonists out' etc. There are the odd case of racist attacks (or what are classed as this). But the language is doing pretty well now, and the welsh have their own assembly.

So, yeah, lots of Welsh despise the English, and, as is obvious even in a weak form in this thread, vice versa. I have the pleasure of being a bit of both - Welsh ancestry, but grew up over the border in England, live in Wales now.

Wales also has the best flag ever...



Hwyl fawr

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reply posted on 6-12-2007 @ 02:33 AM by andy1972
reply to post by Rasobasi420



Basically, during the 12th, 12th, and 13th centurys England used Wales as a training ground for the inexperianced british troops, enroute for the war with france, Scotland etc.

They let them burn and attack villages and towns etc in wales so they´d know what to do when the time came, and if the welsh crossed the border for anything they where cut down.

As i understand it there is still a law in vigor that states it perfectly legal to shoot a welshman in Chester town centre after midnight with a crossbow, its from the 11th century !!!


reply posted on 6-12-2007 @ 03:40 AM by HowlrunnerIV
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Can a Brit please explain to me what the actual animosity is between the Welsh and the English? Is there a history of violence between the two? I'm going to London next month and don't want to upset anyone with an offhand comment without knowing the history behind it.

Thanks


Lots of history involved in this, hundreds of years of it actually.

Wales still retains its own identity, culture, and language. And...there is still lots of graffiti of the likes of 'colonists out' etc.


My yr 9 maths teacher was Welsh, tried to teach us the language, once. Flippin 'ell, what a mouthful. But I did learn that Gog means church! (as in the town with a railway station, a brook and three churches...)

My favourite reference to Wales comes for an old film called "They Were Not Divided."

Set up: Pommy and his Yank mate join up during WW2 and choose the Guards. When a Sergeant asks them which regiment they're in, they reply "Welsh."

The Sergeant's reply?

"Ah, foreign legion."

(Later on another Sergant explains to the Yank that the world is divided into two halves: England and the Colonies!)

Mr Fantastic is Welsh, by the way. As is Mrs Michael Douglas, the fourth 007, Batman, Hannibal Lecter, Q (the late one), the Rolls half of Rolls-Royce and the bloke Mt Everest is named after.

And if you want to know why men from the valleys should be feared mightily, watch this all-time classic

www.imdb.com...

Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day.
Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast.




reply posted on 6-12-2007 @ 08:20 AM by more_serotonin_pls
reply to post by Havalon


I have to agree with what you're saying. The man was clearly an idiot for crashing into a parked car and that's really what the focus of the prosectution should have been about.

I take on board what some posters have said here regarding the fact that calling someone 'English' is racist, but again, I bring into play the point that I truly do not believe that this is the type of situation that the legislation was enacted to deal with.

I went to university myself in Wales and loved every minute of it, but there was a Welsh only Hall of Residence there and there were often verbal sparring matches between them and some of the rest of us, where we would be shouting English this, and Welsh that at one another across a pub, usually while the rugby was on. The point of mentioning that is that not once did either group of students accuse the other of being racist, because it wasn't intended or even implied.

It's called banter.

The welsh and the English (oops, appears I forgot to 'welsh' a capital 'W' there - is it to be considered a racially motived insult, I wonder?) have banter because of the historical situation that previous posters have mentioned.

My fear is that this sets a riciculous precendent.

thanks for the responses, folks.

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