Where Can I Go When Chaos Ensues?, page 2
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reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 02:39 AM by goose
When a crisis hit, there are a lot of things to wonder about and plans to make, like for instance for those of you with families, gathering everyone together, the kids may be at school, you may not be able to get to them immediately.

Also for all of you planning on leaving and traveling, you may not be able to do that, so you need an alternate plan if you can't travel to the destination you have in mind, you need to plan for survival where you are as well.

Also you may not be able to take vehicles, you may have to walk or bike, a ton of MRE's are not going to do you much good. Taking a survival course now might be a good idea, learning how to survive with the least amount of gear will be key if you have to walk or survive on your own for a long period.

Learning about what, streams, animals and plants inhabit the area you intend to survive in and what is safe to eat or use for meds would also be key.

Most areas have what is known as state land meaning no one, but the state ( all taxpayers) owns it and you can't be shot for trespassing.

Your ability to provide yourself with water, food and shelter is going to be key to survival, if you are going to go to a strange place with little knowlege of the area, and how to survive, your chances are not good.

I'm lucky that I already live in the mountains and can just walk out the backdoor to the woods and to a place that is sheltered and is isolated and I grew up in this area, but even with that I don't expect to make it long without some serious survival skills.


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 09:21 AM by reluctantpawn
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO


I currently live in a semi-rural area. Plenty of water and game. I built my own house with some "special" add ons. I too have three younger children. For the most part we will just stay here through most any SitX.

respectfully

reluctantpawn


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 10:03 AM by DaddyBare
reply to post by leira7


Well anywhere you happen to be is as good as any other...even right in the middle of a big city...if you plan right that is...

I know a lot of people will say out in the country or up in the mountains but millions of people will have the very same idea and flock there in droves... you can bet you bottom farms and ranches will become battle grounds in bloody battles for food...

So lets say your stuck in a city wile all everything goes to hell around you? If you have a years worth of food and water that should get you past the worst of it... the huge raging fires should be smoldering embers by then. the riots should have moved elsewhere. There will still be a lot of armed gangs praying on the helpless so you'll want to be armed. but you could survive there was well as anywhere else...maybe even better seeing as you know the terrain, that beats being lost in the woods....

it all comes down to pick where you want to make a stand and plan plan plan


reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 04:07 PM by HYRYSC
reply to post by DaddyBare


I don't know DaddyBare. Today, most people equate food with grocery stores. In a true civilization changing scenario, I think that most of the fighting would be in turf wars where the processed food stuffs are. Even when it becomes apparent that the food supply is waning inside the cities (which at this point would be decimated to much less than their original population) I still don't know if people will suddenly turn toward the countryside in search for food. If they do, I would think that it would not be a marching army of ravenous hunter/fighters, but rather half (or more) starved, scared and less than completely coherent individuals or small groups looking for anything to eat and drink.

Smaller towns would probably show more of a tendency to turn to the countryside as they are more closely tied to the agricultural/husbandry endeavors.

Most people will probably try to stick closely to familiar territory, especially in a crisis. Just look at the unfortunate case study with the people in New Orleans, even when the levy's had collapsed and the flood was rising, few people even made an attempt to exit the chaos because, yes, it was no longer safe, but it was still familiar. You can watch Youtube videos of people weeks after the collapse, still going to the grocery stores and walmarts etc combing the shelves for whatever they could get. It was sad, because there was only garbage there, but it was familiar and all they knew.

an aside:
One cannot help but wonder if this was a live trial exercise that the powers that be used in studying behavior in such an unfortunate incident, but regardless, it was an effective, and very telling, study.

This is one of the arguments against being a so called "armchair survivalist". While we all think that we are above average hunters, thinkers, make-doers, survivalists etc, unless the skills of killing an animal for food, or living off the land, or getting my go-bag and bugging out, or living without simple electricity is actually practiced with as much realism as one can muster, one can really not be sure of the true nature of the consequences or action/reactions or mindset that one will encounter or have to endure if (when?) such a scenario occurs.


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 03:18 PM by LLoyd45
reply to post by leira7


I think the best and safest place for a person to stay where they're at. Bug-in until it becomes unsafe or impractical to do so. You already know your neighbors and you know the terrain. Any outsider will be at a disadvantage.

Make preparations for at least 3 months without any outside assistance, more if you can afford to do so. Arm yourself, learn a few self-defense skills, buy a good knife, brush up on your survival skills (fire-starting, first aid, water procurement, navigation, shelter construction, etc), assemble a good bugout kit with maps of your intended bugout area. It would be nice if you had done a few scouting expeditions to the location prior to needing to do so as well.

If you can make it through the first Winter, half the population will be gone due to starvation or exposure. The competition will be less intense and resource more plentiful.

Most of all keep a positive survival attitude. Your mind is your greatest weapon in any situation.

[edit on 18-1-2008 by LLoyd45]


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 08:36 PM by HYRYSC
reply to post by LLoyd45


Very well put!

I completely agree. If we end up having a true TEOTWAWKI SIT-X level 5 etc etc, it will not be like Mad Max for very long. Either the situation will be resolved and order will be restored, or many people will unfortunately starve or die of the elements or exposure (especially during the first winter in the north) or maybe a combination of both. Regardless, there won't be many mouths to feed for long after the SHTF.


reply posted on 19-1-2008 @ 10:30 AM by photobug
reply to post by HYRYSC


I think one must remember the goals of the "MAN" and one of those includes reducing the population. So I think if you prepare yourself and can survive the first year or two things will get better as the population is decimated. YOu just need to stay off the radar as long as possible.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 02:13 AM by paladin1852
reply to post by leira7


I agree 100% about staying away from populated areas. In any natural, man made, or martial law situation, you are going to have to pull resources from the area that you are in to survive. Even if you are in a very small town situation you are going to have to hunt, garden, and use your resources to feed yourself, family, and also, possibly, an influx of people that are coming there for the same reason you are. The average American is not prepared!
Personally, I prefer the bush idea. The key thing to think about in a bush(wilderness) situation is, how many people can the land you are on support. This is why alot of the American Indians were nomadic. Lets take for instance the Red River Gorge area in Kentucky. You have ample water and shelter, but with the game animals in the area, and limited gardening potential - it can only support around 100 people, for the whole area, and there is a government chemical and biological dump and hour away. If you are in upstate New York, or the Pine Barrens in New Jersey there is ample water and shelter, but very limited game, and if it is a radiological, chemical, or biological incident the game and water may not be edible or usable.

Prepare! Prepare! Prepare!
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!


reply posted on 28-1-2008 @ 09:56 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
So what do you all think Tennessee Mountains or North Georgia? We are ready to get a plan together and start working on some action, we live in North Ga. a suburb of ATL but still considered slightly rural but not rural enough for us. We are thinking of a move up to Tennessee mountain area, within a hour of knoxville, very rural.
I can think of a lot of pros for Tennessee but 1 con that gets me are the very cold winters and snow in the mountains, Georgis gets cold but no snow and the cold snaps are usually never longer than 3 or 4 days.
We have 3 small children and this worries me if God forbid we lost a heat source in the mountains.
Am I being overly concerned about this?
What do you all think Tennessee or Georgia?


Being concerned about freezing during the Winter is a legitimate fear.
is there adequate wood to provide the needed BTUs available at you're proposed bugout location? Also keep in mind that the harvesting of wood will be a clear sign of your presence to others. I like Tennessee and Georgia myself, and I'd imagine so do millions of others.

If it seems like an ideal location for hunting & trapping, and has a readily available water source, you'd better believe somebody knows about it. Set you up a few trail cameras, and see what you get. You'll probably be shocked to find out how well known the area is. Inhospitable is what you want. People are like electrons, and take the path of least resistance. If there is an easier way of doing something, that's the path they'll take.

Think about trapping. you set your snares and traps on well established game paths because that's the route most of the animals use. It's well established and easy to travel. To make sure they become ensnared, you put little obstacles along the sides of your trap to funnel them into it. Animals like people also look for the easiest way out. Would you walk along a well establish trail in the woods, or take out your machete and hack your own path? I'll bet 90% of the people would be diddy-bopping along the established trail..


reply posted on 28-1-2008 @ 10:23 AM by reluctantpawn
reply to post by LLoyd45


Lloyd this can be used both ways. We both know that people use the path of least resistance. If you make the path difficult or hard to follow they will go elsewhere. You can lead people away just as you can lead into a trap. It is worth thinking about. I have used blackberries to keep out people from the rear of my property. No one wants to really go through, it just isn't worth the effort if you don't know what is on the other side.

respectfully

reluctatantpawn


reply posted on 28-1-2008 @ 10:41 AM by LLoyd45
reply to post by reluctantpawn

That's a great idea using natural defenses to secure a perimeter. Maybe instead of blackberries though which some may be tempted to pick, let a few thorn trees take root or introduce them. They'll cut you to shreds in a heartbeat and their poison stings like crazy!

Thanks for the idea Reluctant. That's what I like about forums, lots of good input from people who may be thinking more outside the box than you are.



reply posted on 28-1-2008 @ 10:50 AM by reluctantpawn
reply to post by LLoyd45

Every bit counts. I am learning a lot from the garden post myself. It is out of my area of expertise. I have a good bit of knowledge in primitive lifestyles and survival techniques but farming hasn't been one of my strong suits. These posts make us all a more complete individual and improves the collective chances of all.

respectfully

reluctantpawn
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