reply to post by NWRHINO
I disagree for it is NOT important who did it why they did it until we know HOW it was done first.
How it was done is what remains the central issue of this tragic event and the area I and many others want investigated for as long as we continue to
"settle" for the "official story" that the terrorists did this, we will be chasing an invisible enemy on a treadmill to nowhere.
That the official explanation of HOW it was done substantiates the WHY it was done. If you think I am going to believe the official reason it was done
being that they hate us because of our freedom?? Sorry that dog won't hunt.
Why anyone would do it is an area of psychosis Ill NEVER understand and I'm not sure I would want to moreover the question itself gives meaning to
what justifies doing it and frankly, I couldn't care less what "excuse" any one has for doing because they're isn't one good enough but are many
I could understand.
I understand anger, greed, revenge etc. Those are well established as motive but my being free is just crap.
Ther may be one good enough for the perpetrators, I'd say fine they can tell us all about it after they are brought to justice.
Like any forensic investigation, finding out HOW it was done will invariably lead to WHO did it then the WHY if you are still curious, is the answer
we will be left with as the only part of this I and many others will never understand.
The HOW is easy to mask and has been quite well and continues to be a conspiracy of sorts having a life of it's own for example:
The divisiveness that is perpetuating such issues is astounding and I'm not just talking the Corporate and Government level. Their have been grass
roots movements with a bent on obfuscating and / or creating mis-information with the soul purpose of destroying the credibility of anyone with any
loyalty to any other standard of truth other then the NIST report. I have been mistakenly invited to large groups asked to join forums with the
purpose of making up wild incredulous theories in an order to cast aspersions on other theorists as whacked out conspiracy theorists or "Twoofers" a
name they have dubbed the 911 truth movement.
They have been quite effective with that strategy to the point where a truther today is so timid in admitting his or her beliefs they attempt to hide
the fact that they just don't buy the NISTIAN GOSPEL. The problem is this is counter productive in getting to a real debate on the topic. Seeking the
approval of any clique that seems to have the upper hand by majority membership is folly in my view. This has gotten to the point where their is a
distinct stereotype that has been formed. Meaning that if you are a truther then you must also be stupid because they believe in the "truth fairy".
You must also be a believer in God which isn't scientific enough for most anyone with REAL intelligence. Well truth be told,,(no pun) NOT everyone in
the truth movement is a GOD fearing church going tithe giving zealot. Not all of them are for Gun Control something I totally DISAGREE with Rosie
O'Dumbell err,, O'Donnel about. Also the idea you must be liberal or a Democrat and a lover of pseudo science such as intelligent design etc. if you
are of the truth movement, It gets pretty hostile as anyone who is a truther and member of the skeptics for pseudo intellects called JREF forum will
Their are many such online forums with such heated debates but none with the extraordinary pomp, verbal gymnastics and intellectual snobbery as the
James Randi Education Foundation. The Founder himself once a charlatan claims to be on a mission to debunk Sylvia brown as a fraud.
Now I ask you,, is this really important and who really cares?
I have watched her on Montel Williams and although I agree I don't believe she sees dead people, I don't think I have a prayer to convince those
that listen to lies they DESPERATELY want to believe that she is a fraud let alone a liar.
I simply have better things to do and I would think someone with Randi's so called superior intellect would also.
Does anyone REALLY think for one second that if James Randi were to debunk Sylvia Brown proving unequivocally absolutely she is a fraud, that it would
change ruin her career as regular on Montel? No more then any Jref Debunker is going to change the doubts I or any other cynic has about the efficacy
of Government supported and or endorsed 911 investigations.
Now "NWRHINO" here is where we totally agree and that is on the basis of whay the military, CIA, FBI and many other Government Covert Ops use as
"Need to know" it is the basis for all covert ops. I have seen it used in the military and not only is it effective but it is EASY to accomplish
with extraordinary success. Ill use James Randi in my example, below:
Asking Randi to debunk the box cutter cartoon while he has a group of followers not unlike L. Ron Hubbard did with Scientology. As a matter of fact
thats who JREF debunkers remind me of. They even have their own vernacular their own Bible (NIST) and their own brand of arrogance. Who needs the
government to start a conspiracy to shut down all those still asking legitimate questions when they can ask someone like Randi to step in and lo and
behold,, we got a entire movement of haters who think they are smarter then everyone else doing all they can to break us down and cast us as crack
pots. Are they part of a conspiracy of sorts?
Do they know it
That is why they don't think any large group of people can all be involved in a conspiracy without knowing simply because they don't think it's
possible. In the meantime they do all they can to keep the one that did this from ever seeing the light of day.
The Government hates CT's because every once in a while
They are right.
BUT THEY LOVE JAMES RANDI and his sheep.
Ill say this much for Randi,, had he ALL the forensic evidence at his disposal before it all went down the garbage disposal,,
I am certain his questions would not be satisfied.
But what of our questions?
Well take a look at the recent news
With the help of Lawyers, lobbyists and Politicians who are less then honorable, they have BROKEN the back of our two party system. I have said this
before and Ill say it again. I think the American Idol show could come up with a better format for finding the next Great American President then the
system we have now.
We have politicians who think HONORABLE is who they are as long as it is stamped on there stationery letterhead. They take bribes as long as it is
I watch them carefully articulate their accomplishments speaking in the most delicate way they can how it was they that made this crime bill or " I
" that created the change for America while not looking like they are tooting their own horn. You know what I do when ever they say that kind of
thing? I go right to the congress.org website and check and invariably I find they are full of crap. If I were there when they said such lies I would
without haste, challenge such statements. Then I am certain I would be summarily "tazed" with 50,000 volts of electricity coursing through my body
like that young journalism student that said "don't taze me bro" when asking John Kerry about his involvement with a secret society known as
"skull and bones". I ask you what in GODS NAME was he asking that for? More importantly WHY if it was just a dumb thing to ask did they electrocute
Yeah get a clue.
We aren't to ask the tough questions unless prior consent and arrangements are made with a Senator first, giving them time to rehearse an answer.
That is how Hillary Clinton does it.
Apparently, John Kerry does too and as for dumb questions,, it is my belief that the ONLY dumb question is the one that goes UN-ASKED but was it
Necessary to taze that young man whether you think his question was relevant, stupid or not? Even when Kerry told them he would answer it they
wouldn't allow him to.
Could it be an addition to that axiom about un asked questions has an unsaid warning like,
The only scary question, is the one they refuse to answer?
The now famous phrase seen on everything from tee shirts to coffee mugs has had it's share of detractors saying he deserved it because he wouldn't
come along quietly. My question is,, come along for what? what did he do?
Watch the video and you'll see as he asks the question Kerry's security starts putting there hands on the guy and he naturally trys to shrug them
off. He is there asking a question like everyone else. He is a VOTER and someone that could stand out side with anyone of us and the sun would shine
on both of us. His reluctance to have his question interupted by being "handled" is something I can't hold against him. I know I'd have done the
However if I had known before I asked it that I may be tazed or for that matter man handled in anyway for simply asking a question they for "some"
reason, didn't like,, then, I wouldn't have.
That's just the problem,, WE DON'T KNOW and it seems that's just where they want to keep us.
I will agree the guy was extremely obnoxious to the point where he should have been removed but AFTER he has handcuffs on and is technically been
"incarcerated" that is to say his freedom of movement had been arrested, THEY TAZED HIM AGAIN!
Kerry should have INSISTED he answer that question, instead, all he accomplished is pique a national interest in finding out just what was it they are
trying to hide. I have read about skull and bones and wrote it off as not that important. Now however I think I may have been premature in my
assessment and will do reading on snopes to get the truth. Thank GOD for snopes and other websites like it.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the superfluous use of the word "Al-Qaeda" or even "terrorist" for that matter. You remember the Sunni's
and shia the insurgents we were fighting in Iraq? Doesn't it cock your head funny whenever questions regarding leaving Iraq suddenly renames these
tribes to Al-Qaeda? . They are insurgents when we are there talking about the ground troops but whenever the talk turns to leaving there they are
summarily renamed from insurgents to "terrorists" .
We are told time over that the Government couldn't have had ANYTHING at all to do with 911 but they have everything to do with promoting it as a
pretext for every single one of our rights as Americans that have been stripped away in the name of "National Security" and it is BUNK. Hell with
our borders leaking like a sieve and it making international news, you'd think the Terrorist being mostly of Arab descent would simply pose as
Mexicans and sneak across the border like the multitudes that do and blend right in as merely illegal aliens?
You would think our Politicians so quick to use that logic as a reason to install new language in our constitution for making it legal to spy on us
would be the same logic used to stem the tide of illegal immigration but it isn't.
Not that it hasn't occurred to them or the terrorists but it sure makes the arguments they have for telling us how safe we are since they are in
office a crock.
In addition to that they know that it conflicts with the agenda they have with the north American union erasing the borders of Canada and Mexico. Now
here is the kicker,, the motivation Bush has said is behind the North American union is National Security!
Is your head spinning like a cartoon?
It should be.
WTC 7 the 50 story building that wasn't touched by an airplane and by the 911 commissions own account, "imploded" falling at free fall speed in a
nice neat pile on it's own foundations footprint stands as the quintessential reasoning for re-opening the case. It has been over 6 years and the
Government has postponed the Building 7 report three times. NIST recently had this admission one where I am sure Rosie O'Donnell Jumped for Joy as it
is certainly one time she can tell everyone of her detractors,,
"I told ya so"
"NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable"
Implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition only means by which towers could have fallen at free fall speed"
What I still don't understand is those who have said Bush had nothing to do with it using his stupidity as a rationale for it's implausibility I can
agree with one caveat.
That as much as I agree with the assessment Bush isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer,, if that's the reason he couldn't have, then how could 13
idiots with nothing but box cutters, less then adequate skill flying a Cessna let alone a 727 commercial jet airplane with a ring leader who is hiding
in a cave somewhere,,,,
pulled off the biggest crime of the century?
Oh and please,, don't taze me bro,,
I'm just asking a question.
- Love Con
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