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Ex-Italian President 9/11 An Inside Job

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posted on Dec, 5 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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The spy agency argument is totally irrelevant. I really don't give a crap what the spy agencies know or don't know...the important thing is that there are so, so many things the official story cannot explain.




posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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Seems to me the question is whether or not you accept Cossiga as an insider more than an individual with an opinion. This is the key to his credibility.

The fact that he has intimate first hand knowledge of false flag operations of the past lends some credibility to his statement for me.

Another thing, which time after pathetic time saddens me is the fact there isn't even a whisper of this story that I have found in the MSM.

I mean c'mon a former president of a major european country and allie, makes a statement like this and it is as if it never happened.

At the very least shouldn't they ridicule the pathetic senile old fool who would make such a ridiculous claim????

But no...not a single word. That fact in itself is enough to arouse suspiscion



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by migliavacca
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No one here needs to supply you with anything. You need to provide the proof that the spy agencies don't concur with Cossiga. You are insinuating that he is lying. Where is your proof that he's lying? Have you contacted all the spy agencies? Can you provide proof that all the spy agencies have stated that they don't believe it was an inside job? Can you provide documentation from all these spy agencies that they don't agree with him?

No one owes you anything. If you don't believe him, that's your business.



Too Rich! So all of a sudden I am the "bad man" for asking you to provide some proof. I have not heard of any spy agency claiming it was an "inside job", and yes, I have poked around the internet a bit looking for such. The only thing I find is a lone Russian General claiming this with no backing from the Russian Govt of his accusations. Sorry for trying to find the truth of Cossiga's accusations, how silly of me. You just keep supporting unsubstantiated statements and then wonder why no one believes you. And yes, I am a disinfo agent, you've blown my all too clandestine cover. How did you manage to figure it out?

Since I haven't found evidence for any Spy agency backing up Cossiga's story, for the SIXTH time, could one of you provide at least something to back up his story? Just try rather than whining about "well we will never know the whole truth, because it's hidden" cop out answer.

It's funny how you are all jumping on the bandwagon of a former President of Italy 15 years ago like he is the knight in shining armor of the 9/11 movement. Like the supposed conspirators of 9/11 would be dumb enough to give someone like him any inkling of the supposed plot. Yes a top secret group of people are going to let slip details to a known whistleblower. That really makes sense to me.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 01:19 AM
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He almost had me going until he used the "Z" word. That's a dead give-away everytime; that and the total absence of a shred of evidence or a witness to any of the vast level of nefarious activity and contacts that would have been necessary if it were an "inside job". Considering the galactic-level bungling that led to and followed the invasion of Iraq, how can anyone believe the same bunch could pull off 9/11 successfully and keep it secret?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 06:10 AM
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Since its been drowned out by numerous "I am right, you are wrong" posts, I will re-pose the question:

Do any Italian ATS members out there know what the medias response to that interview was?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 06:43 AM
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ciaoo Sky here I am....



basically there has not been any ruckuss about this in the media... it has probably been suppressed massively due to the fact that MEDIASET is owned by Berlusconi (right wing).. yes that's right!.. in Italy we have 2 main TV (RAI and MEDIASET) each of which has 3 channels and each channel has their own newsbroadcast. anyway I voted for the guy.. but I am 911 truthseeker as all of us here in any case!!

The newspaper that publicated this article is the most diffuesd in italy the #1.. the Director is Paolo Mieli ( hebrew) and the Vice Director is Magdi Allam ( egypt/muslim), magdi is the recent author of the book VIVA ISRAELE... so I was really surprised to see the cossiga article in that newspaper ( I read on web).

someone here before asked if the tranlations were correct yes I am confirming....

.... remember people that Cossiga was the minister of intern in 1978 when Aldo moro was kidnapped and killed by the red brigade. It was rumoured then that Kossiga and company were told by "obscure individual" to stay put and not intervene in the moro case...

.. The obscure individual is belonging to the clan.. maybee cossiga is fed up with them an decided now that he almost going to kick the bucket he could spill the beans on those...

ciaoo Bello!!



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 07:40 AM
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I think the best way to let people know about 9/11 is not by talking about 9/11 itself, but by showing them history instead.

Starting with the basics

en.wikipedia.org...

A blog here with links

deeperpolitics.gnn.tv...

False flags are used by every government in the world, please do not assume that your wonderful stars and stripes government is beyond this tactic. The calling sign of a false flag, the real sign it was a false flag, is when the attacked nation's politicians and bigwigs benefit from it. Find out who is making bullets bombs and humvees, 2/3 of those names have a Bush at the end of them. Look at the oil prices, find out who is selling oil. Do some research. Think for yourself. We are not here to provide proof for you or make you believe the same things we do.


[edit on 6-12-2007 by unnamedninja]



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 08:01 AM
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I am asking you for the second time. Post your proof that all the spy agencies disagree with Cossiga. Calling someone a liar is a serious thing, so I am awaiting your proof or your retraction.

Once again, we owe you no proof to back up Cossiga's statements. He made the statements so if you need them backed up then I firmly suggest you ask him yourself. But since you cannot supply proof from any spy agencies, I doubt you'll bother to contact Cossiga.

Hey George Bush says he loves his wife, but I don't believe him. Why don't you supply me proof that he does? I searched a little on the internet and found he's having an affair with Condy Rice. So show me proof pavil that he loves his wife.




posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 08:12 AM
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Benvenuta to ATSa bella.


Thats some very good and interesting information. As the owners of the newspaper seem to be isreal-friendly we cant say this information is "anti-semitic-propaganda". Excellent.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 08:36 AM
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Ciao Again Sky..


Yes Mieli is Pro left wing and Magdi is more towards Right he is a proud muslim who must go around town with a very heavy police escort due to him bein menaced by fundamentalist muslims.

Magdi is a moderate muslim , and therefore a muslim in any case who has uncovered things that are common knowledge to all muslims.. but he has gone one step further and voiced them to us and it is better that i don't say here...I have recently been to his presentation of his last book VIVA ISRAELE..and yes I am on Magdi's side..

ciao!



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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He is a pretty brave man. He might face the fate of Phillip Schneider.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by lee anoma
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Those seeking proof really don't want it IMO, but oh well.


I just have to comment on this. This is a conundrum of a statement. If one is seeking something, then one is actively searching it out... as such one must REALLY WANT to find evidence as one has put forth a concerted amount of time and effort to find proof. To say otherwise is to blindly backup your beliefs while disregarding another's belief system. Now if your talking about Governments... They aren't seeking... Their job is to BURY, or Suppress...


Also I stated earlier that with his statement that made sure to include Mossad (an organization formed for the purpose of assassinating the ex-Nazi scum that escaped from the Nuremberg trials.) and Zionists, it is showing a siding with Anti-Semitic views.

While others may disagree with that, I am entitled to my own opinion and belief system on that matter. as they are to theirs. But I am also entitled to hold firm the belief that those people may have a dark bigoted spot hidden deep within their hearts.


Now back to point there have been statements made that the paper that published the article is pro-Israel... Wouldn't it be logical to assume that with that stance they would WANT to POINT OUT that this man has made anti-semitic statements? I do NOT understand why everybody is putting their faith into a mans hands that hasn't held office for 10 years prior to the incident occurring (which means he had no power in 1997 when the PNAC actually published the "a New Pearl Harbor" plan.) and has had NO political power for the past 15 years.

I am leery of throwing my trust on the shoulders of a man who has no ties to the information keepers. Shouldn't you be too?

Coven

p.s. and I still agree with Pavil that there needs to be SOME evidence provided that Spy Agencies agree with this ex-presidents views. (i'll take it a step further and say that I require it to be : French, English, Canadian, Israeli, Chinese, Russian (not just a single spy or general, but the actual agency), Korean, or Japanese... If you can document that... your argument is TOTALLY VALID... If not the attacks/ignorant responses on Pavil need to stop... All he did was ask a question... Deny Ignorance anyone?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 03:43 PM
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Pavil insinuated that Cossiga is a liar. Pavil needs to supply the proof. No one on this site needs to supply pavil with anything. No one on this site made those statements but Cossiga. If you're going to call someone a liar you better be ready to back it up. Pavil has not. It's utterly ludicrous to ask anyone here to produce state secrets. If pavil's so smart and interested in the truth, let him contact Cossiga. It's really that simple. Go straight to the source.

So for the third time I ask, are you going to supply proof pavil?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainObvious
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Jim ~

Although I respect your opinion, I stand by my post. I do not want to derail this thread with more debates of the same old recycled pet theories you may or may not have.

I don't troll. I try to offer the facts behind 911 and share what I know. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I have yet been shown anything that leads me to believe 911 was an inside job.

C.O.


lets see instead of seeing this as a yes/ no issue as to inside involvement

look at it as a percentage of inside involvement or not

this is a very credible source, and obviously he has what is proof for him

now wether you still have a shred of hope for your original opinion is not in doubt , it is your stance that an inside job must have all the proof that makes sense to you , before you mention that it is a possible option, can you skeptics agree it is a possible option, or do you somehow find a way to dance around this question, perhaps you need more evidence (or to look at a history of false flags) but still why not see it as a possibility?

is it too depressing, or frightening? (serious question)

lastly evidence or proof to someone can be bull crap to someone else, so evidence is personal, especially someone not prepared to believe it is an option ( with that attitude how could you be capable of looking for the "truth" if the mind is already decided)



[edit on 6-12-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by migliavacca
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I am asking you for the second time. Post your proof that all the spy agencies disagree with Cossiga. Calling someone a liar is a serious thing, so I am awaiting your proof or your retraction.



Hey George Bush says he loves his wife, but I don't believe him. Why don't you supply me proof that he does?


Nice...
If you read my posts you would have noticed that I could not find any support for Cossiga's statements from any spy agency and I looked for about almost an hour. Please feel free to refute me if you find some. A lack of any public acknowledgement of a western spy agency that 9/11 was and inside job by the CIA and MOSSAD seriously undermines Cossiga's statements. I feel comfortable in calling the 79 year old 15 year removed President's statements into question. Feel free to charge me with libel, I think Cossiga is blatantly misrepresenting any info he might have, so yes he is a liar.

As I said the only think I found was a lone Russian General claiming it was an inside job, a General who statements the Russian Govt did not support. The only other ones I found were fringe politicians none with credentials that would lead you to believe they had access to special knowledge of 9/11 secret operations.

Nice or you to turn that around that the lack of any proof of his accusations is somehow my fault or problem. If Cossiga's accusations are to be taken seriously then I would expect some level of proof of them. I looked for the proof of western foreign intelligence agencies claiming that 9/11 was an inside job and found none. Perhaps your Internet searching skills are better.

As for contacting him personally, no thanks I am not that obsessed with the 9/11 "Truth" movement. Perhaps one of you "Truthers" would be interested in finding out; you are looking for Truth correct? Or are you just content to believe without any fact checking? Simply supplying some shred of proof of his accusation is seemingly impossible for you. What a Sham that is.

While I personally have never met the Bush's they seem to be similar to many married couples. Please provide *Gasp* proof of your accusations on the Bush Marriage that is document-able. You knew I was going to ask. They seem to profess to still like/love each other, I will leave it to you to decide for yourself.

transcripts.cnn.com...

www.people.com...



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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Maybe he just worked a lot of it out for himself using logic. After all, reporting a building has collapsed 23 minutes before it has DOES raise some suspicion.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:12 PM
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It is unfortunate that you are unaware of how truth is determined. Here in America, the truth is often sought in court proceedings. Juries determine the truth based on the preponderance of evidence or guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Now I am not claiming that the case is closed regarding 9/11, but you cannot claim that Cossiga is a liar unless you are also an equally qualified counter-witness. For example, if the prosecution calls a forensics expert to tesitfy at trial, his statements must stand as evidence against the accused unless that testimony can be refuted be an equally qualified witness testifying on behalf of the defense. Unless you are an intelligence agent yourself and can match Cossiga's credentials, you have no authority to challenge his testimony.

I accept Cossiga's statements as evidence, not proof-positive of the events surrounding 9/11.



[edit on 12/6/0707 by jackinthebox]



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:34 PM
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i wonder do the elite really need to tell the rest what to believe, does it maintain order?

i mean the critical thinkers can seek out their own answers and proof but there seems like a legitamite threat to revealing truth's that are tuff to swallow, if not downright bubble bursting to those in an ignorant blissfilled stupor, the brainwashed sheeple would probably revolt or start shooting up gov't buildings if this italian ex-president's words were ever broadcast on mainstream media in a way that legitamized them.

never mind the fact american's have a better chance of being struck by lightning than killed in a false flag. The price to pay for protection and a orderly society in these day's is manipulation and media propoganda, the more that people believe it or learn to intelligently handle the truth, the less chance of martial law (or the longer it is postponed). I mean i think people realize at some level that say they call the gov't out and say "gee i think the CIA and MOSSAD took part in this plan" that said agency's would not say " oh golly gee were so sorry, you got us, well tell the truth from now on". they would monitor the level of chaos and revolt by citizens and decide wether to implement a more centralized authorotative gov't.

lie to me, i promise i'll believe, lie to me.



[edit on 6-12-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:44 PM
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The reason I refer to Giuliani (obstruction of justice), Whitman (criminal negligence), and Silverstein (insurance fraud) is that these are "no brainer" charges, that should already have been laid.

When you lay one charge, no matter how insignificant, you are going to uncover other indictable perps. The whole ball of yarn will start to unravel.

The significance of an insignificant charge is that it will lead to other charges.

In my view the biggest failure of the 911 truth movement is not to have had a single charge laid. The truth movement has tried to do an end run around the perps and mop them all up at once. That has been a huge tactical error.

They should pick one perp and one charge and put all their force into getting one conviction. If they do that, other convictions will follow.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
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It is unfortunate that you are unaware of how truth is determined. Here in America, the truth is often sought in court proceedings. Juries determine the truth based on the preponderance of evidence or guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Now I am not claiming that the case is closed regarding 9/11, but you cannot claim that Cossiga is a liar unless you are also an equally qualified counter-witness. For example, if the prosecution calls a forensics expert to tesitfy at trial, his statements must stand as evidence against the accused unless that testimony can be refuted be an equally qualified witness testifying on behalf of the defense. Unless you are an intelligence agent yourself and can match Cossiga's credentials, you have no authority to challenge his testimony.

I accept Cossiga's statements as evidence, not proof-positive of the events surrounding 9/11.



[edit on 12/6/0707 by jackinthebox]


Sorry that is a load of bunk. You don't just accept someones statement, even an expert's one without some documentation of their claim. Cossiga should be able to name names or provided some proof of his claims. To date he has not. No court would accept his testimony as fact, it is hearsay till it can be backed up.

I guess as always, we will agree to disagree. You have fun in this thread with your belief as truth. I am done asking you for evidence you plainly don't have. Just like almost every other 9/11 thread. You "Truthers" should change your name to "Believers" since you are not really interested in finding the truth of the matter.



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