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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 07:56 AM
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Happy Holidays 2 all!
Heywww.army.mil/FA40/data/files/doc/00005.doc is the Army Astronaut Selection Board
ZORGON, I tried to Copy&Paste the above lik you provided, and now there is a "Block from downloading",pt on it...is this my PC,
or what do you think?
I believe the following(To COOL HAND, Mr. Penny,et al.);
The *Solid Truth, in any complex argument, or "the grain of salt in any argument", is *Niether on black, nor the white ends; the "Solid Truth", is in there in the middle, in the *Gray areas, between the two ends.
...just something I was told by a Proff. once. I have however found it to be one of life's great "Solid Truths". Peace To ALL, *Shelly(LibBLVRdoc)




posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 08:01 AM
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Hi all, very interesting discussions going on here.

I would like to (somewhat) confirm some of your suspicions as to the nature of USAKA (U.S. Army Kwajalein Atoll).

I was posted there for some amount of time working for USMDC (U.S. Army Space & Missile Defense Command)...not on Kwaj, but on another island on the atoll. Here we were definitely engaging in classified secret & top secret exo-atmospheric programs...and definitely more than IFT, THAAD, & IFICS tests. I can also tell you that I had an MIT LL email address for my position.

As you may already know, even at the level of clearence that we had there, we only see a piece of the pie. And it is the `mother of all pies`.

I would very much like to discuss some of the things I have witnessed, but I am somewhat paranoid due to the nature of the work...ie my phone was definitely tapped for some time, as were all of ours there. And even though papers were signed, & OPSEC, & all of that stuff, I feel quite strongly that full disclosure to the public is absolutley necessary.

My point is that Mr. Lear has some very good information. I implore all of you to do as much dilligent research into what was originally discussed on pg. 1. I firmly believe that the more we all can discuss these issues openly, and the more information is `collected` by hackers or the like, the more pieces of the pie may be revealed.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 09:12 AM
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Good 'two stories', Zorgon1
As to you there Buddah, I like the point Ignore The Facts, is getting at;
who says it has to be Soyuz missles, or for that matter, *any type of
widely known, craft/missles?
If that "grain of solid truth", contains as high a level of technology as I believe actually does exist, how would anyone out of "the loop", know what sights, or noises, may or may not be required for take-off?
We wouldn't, only a select, chosen few would know.
I think Gary McKinnon stumbled straight into some "Solid Truth",
to answer these questions we all have, and that is why he is *Facing 70-Years in prison!
Like the book-title;"You Can't Tell The People", you also cannot allow
the people to find out on their own. Oh, and If you know
priviledged GOV. info you better not tell the people.
Mr. Phil Schneider, he found that out, so sadly. As have so many (Lord Knows How Many), more good human beings, who believed, quite
decently gave their lives believeing, "The people deserve to know".
Peace & Enlightenment To All,
Shelly*LibBLVRdoc



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 09:38 AM
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Hi Skarekrow, the EXO-atmospheric programs you were engaged with did it have anything to do with contrails or changing of the weather? If it had to do with contrails what is being dispersed in the contrails on the populace. If it is the weather that is being changed or targeted on populations how accurate is this technology?

Since you were part of the big piece of pie on the island did it have anything to do with going to the Earth's Moon or Mars using anti-gravity or plasma driven spaceships? I know you are limited on what you can divulge but can you give us a hint on ATS. Rik Riley



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 10:02 AM
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Yes! If you can, ScareKrow, please go on, continue...
there are many microcosms to this "Piece of the pie";
may you elaborate any further please?
Either way, thank you for your input that "The Mother of All Pies", does exist....we truthseekers, disclosure-seekers...We, "are on the right paths".
*Shelly



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:32 PM
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Actually, there are several spaceplane projects, some experimental, some operational, and probably quite a few others that have been developed in the “black” -and will remain so for some time to come.

Two such ‘launches’ that I personally witnessed in the Mojave desert of California were those of Burt Rutan’s Scaled Composites’ SpaceShipOne Ansari X-prize. Sure, they were small-scale, but they clearly demonstrated that taking off from a conventional runway and reaching space was not only feasible, but can be done economically as well. Burt and company managed it, twice, on a shoe-string budget and with just a few dedicated souls. Imagine what can be done with an unlimited budget and unlimited resources.


In fact, there is some speculation that this has already been done using a modification of the supposedly cancelled XB-70 Valkyrie. (for an interesting side discussion, see the current ATS thread on the Valkyrie here).



There is considerable speculation in the aerospace literature that the XB-70 was never really, totally shelved, but in fact had morphed into the “Blackstar” project, a carrier/orbiter piggyback system. The configuration included a modifies XB-70 as the carrier, with a smaller orbiter slung underneath its belly. Once the carrier reaches altitude, it drops the orbiter for the jump to LEO. A simple and elegant system, and well within the financial and technical capabilities of the military industrial complex – even decades ago. One of my favorite rags, Aviation Week and Space Technology did an article on the Blackstar project - you can read it here.


Of course, such an operation would require specialized facilities; long runways, support structures, relatively remote locations, etc. So what? There are many, perhaps hundreds if not thousands of such air facilities that can handle a clandestine operation like this – and not just Groom Lake by any means. Yes, as Zorgon, John Lear, and others have mentioned, there are countless locations that would serve the purpose well. In the mid-Pacific, for example, was mentioned Kwajalein, among others. In my view, an excellent nearby spot would be Wake Island: 10,000 ft. runway, lots of fuel storage tanks, infrastructure, no sovereignty issues, no tourists, very remote but easily served by Navy, etc., etc. Here’s a couple of “bird’s eyes” I took off of NWW a few minutes ago:
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In conclusion then: There is already likely an operational, easy to hide, surreptitious, low-earth-orbit insertion platform that can self-fund and place people and equipment in space without the majority of us soiled masses ever hearing anything about it.

Just the facts, Ma’am…


p.s. Remember Pearl Harbor

p.p.s. Happy belated Birthday, John...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:37 PM
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Welcome Skarekrow, and thank you for joining our discussion. Please pull up a chair and make yourself at home.


Please share whatever you can with us. Some of us already have a good idea of whats going on, but you can confirm our suspicions. There have been lots of people coming out, but we need more to tip the scales and make a difference.

If the information that you want to share with us is too earth shattering then the safest way is to go all out in the open, make yourself well known. This thread would be the best place to start, then you can get an interview on our ATS MIX Show:

ATS MIX Show

By the way - What would you ask Richard C. Hoagland and Michael Bara?

Then I would strongly suggest an interview @ www.projectcamelot.org... These guys specialize in the protection of Whistle Blowers.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by LibBLVRdoc
"Block from downloading",pt on it...


Over the past few weeks there have been many documents that myself and others have given direct links too only to have those documents moved... so far as I can tell it still works... check your address... may be a typo or something... if not I can email you a copy



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:53 PM
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Let me clear this up...When I registered with Buddy Finder years ago, they only asked for my "E" designation. Military.com gave me the corporal stripes which is also E-4.

My Misunderstanding of buddy finder ID. My appoligies. I also wont mention that you had to register yourself because they dont have a DoD record of you. I wont mention that because I had to register also but then I was only in the NG.


Not that it is any of your business...but I'll tell you anyway.

No where in your Bio or story did you state that you were an E5 buck Sgt. Your biography states 67-70 and you want me to belive that you went from E1 to E5 in 3 years with out being in a combat MOS. E4 to E5 needs 34 mo TIS, 18 Mo TIG. Current Zone 2 needs 18 Mo TIS and 16 Mo TIG. It was war time so I can give a little doubt in this case


As far as the other 12 personnel...After more than 35 years, the MS is dead and the other 11, I can't remember what they even looked like, let alone their names. The only face I'll never forget is the so-called Captain.

First off an E5 versus an E8 and the way you talked to him espiecally only being TDY for that amount of time. I for one dont belive it. Second you noticed a captain wearing gloves and can remeber verbatim the conversation with the APs but you cant remember any one elses name. You did not write any names down afterward. I dont buy it.

Also you clicked off the safety with your finger on the trigger and the weapon not shouldered. Not very good weapons disapline there now is it.
"And I thought: "If he makes a move towards me, I'm going to cut him in half". " That is directly off of your site. Now did you just click the safety off or did you go to full auto since full auto is the only way to "cut him in half". By the way full auto is two 2 clicks on the M16A1, not the single click that could be heard a mile away as you stated.


Here is another selected quote from your story:
"Then I would have been standing before a court martial for handling a weapon in a threatening manner."
You did not point the weapon at him, all you did was, and I quote:
"I made a kind of threatening move by wrapping my hand around the grip and trigger "
How were you holding your weapon prior to this? Port Arms, by the carry handle?? Or were you holding it in a safe manner with one hand on the forearm and the other on the pistol grip with the barrel pointing at the ground as all good soldiers do when the weapon is unslung from your shoulder.


As far as "Barry" and the MSG, by the way that is the correct abbrv. for Master Sargent, you can do a FOIA on his DD214



I hope you don't have a similar encounter because I think you are the type that would pull the trigger.

Well make up your mind, you state in your story that you wished that you had pulled the trigger.

So if I do pull it does that make me a bad person?


Now for the ceavet, I do believe most of your story up to the point of when the Captain appears.



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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:57 PM
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Awesome post Outrageo
Seeing an Island that is just a runway is a big eye opener. That must be really fun to fly to.


Zorgon

Have you seen this guys post? Have you talked to him before?


Originally posted by KSCVeteran
Hello to all at ATS: (11-19-2007)
I released that article about Astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave. He visited my home town two years ago and we renewed our past friendship. I was his ScO, for the shuttle missions flown by him.
Dr. Story Musgrave AND Astronaut (Apollo 14) Dr. Edgar Mitchell are two
courageous cosmic space travelers. We are very fortunate to have such
heroes release such TOP SECRET information!!
I know the price some brave people pay. I lost all my retirement, health benefits, home, marriage, family, etc., because of my being the REAL X-FILES at Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center, Florida for half my life (1958 to 1992). The Federal Government will NOT allow my books to be published!!
I was a US Space Program pioneer, before NASA was created!
Before my friends, Musgrave and Mitchell were astronauts.
I need help to publish my three books disclosing astonishing events I and many astronauts experienced during those years! What I have to release, will remove the curtain and expose the TRUTH about UFOs and Aliens on earth!
Is there any of you out there that can assist in this effort??
Can ATS form a group to help ME inform the people on earth? I NEED HELP!! We, the PEOPLE, must take action to break this secrecy!
Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, NICAP Director, MUFON, Space Shuttle Fleet, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
[snip]

THIS INFORMATION MUST BE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE PLANET EARTH!!

MOD EDIT - Personal Information removed.

[edit on 21-11-2007 by elevatedone]


He wants help to release information and wants to have some books published. We need to convince him that ATS is the best way to do this. He posted his email address but the mods removed it. You can find that post on this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:17 PM
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By the way - Welcome Jakman

I also want to Thank You for joining our discussion. When Zorgon first posted your story I was on the edge of my seat. Thank You for sharing experience and knowledge with us. My post to Skarekrow also applies to you.


Please stay with us and tell us more. Its time to all work together and speak out.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by housegroove23
Awesome post Outrageo
Seeing an Island that is just a runway is a big eye opener. That must be really fun to fly to.


Yes but try to find the other island on Google Earth the one shown in the Map from the Kwajalein website I posted...



Zorgon

Have you seen this guys post? Have you talked to him before?

Have a good look at the front door...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

More to come but hey I only have so much free time... and I am way behing on promises to others to get there pictures posted... I will have to do that tomorrow...



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by rikriley
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Hi Skarekrow, the EXO-atmospheric programs you were engaged with did it have anything to do with contrails or changing of the weather? If it had to do with contrails what is being dispersed in the contrails on the populace. If it is the weather that is being changed or targeted on populations how accurate is this technology?

Hi rikriley,

As far as my experience is concerned, there was no contrail or weather experimentation taking place on USAKA. I actually do not have much knowledge as to the nature of contrails (or chemtrails) more than the average armchair conspiracy theorist. As for things of this nature, I would maybe recommend researching the HAARP project.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 04:07 AM
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Hi all,

Sorry about the intermittent nature of my posts as I am in the Eastern Hemisphere right now, & I don`t always have ready access to a computer.

Thanks to you all for your greetings!

More info on Kwaj & some of the goings-on there:
There are many islands in the atoll, a few of which there are active launch sites for IFT, THAAD, IFICS, & NASA missions (not that that is only what they are putting into space)...namely:

Roi-Namur - The launch area on Roi is called `Speedball`. The Namur side of the island (mostly jungle & old Japanese WWII ruins) also has one of the most sophisticated (if not THE most sophisticated) radar arrays on the planet. Notice I said `on the planet`. The 4 main radar platforms are ALTAIR, TRADEX, MMW, & ALCOR. These can give one a nearly picture-perfect representation of what may or may not be in Earth`s orbit. Roi also has a very robust optics department, both ground based & arial (via Kwaj). A lot of space tracking takes place from Roi. Ladies & gentlemen, please be advised that we have in fact located extraterrestrial UFOs (called `anomolies`) from this location. I will not go further into this at this time.

Meck - This is the island housing the exo-atmospheric kill vehicles launch pad. Other various ballistic rockets are also deployed from this location, containing `packages` that are of Crypto OMNI & UMBRA top secret classification.

Illeginni - Another launch site

Gagan - Yet another

The Marshallese people have no idea as to what the U.S. government is actually doing there on the islands that the USMDC is renting from them. They just see the $ signs. Most of the indigenous people don`t even have running water or electricity. They are quite beholden to the U.S. Army.

There are other Pacific sites where there are active secret space missions:

Wake Island & Johnson Island (supposedly decommisioned, but my gut tells me there are some serious clandestine activity continuing there) to name a couple more.

I highly doubt Google Earth will give you any decent resolution of these areas...sorry.

My work dealt with both Vandenburg AFB & Cheyenne Mtn. Cheyenne knows about EVERYTHING that goes in or out of Earth`s atmosphere & orbit.

I hope this is educational & inspiring to those of you wishing to dig more up.

More later...



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 05:14 AM
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Brilliant stuff, Skarekrow.

Keep it coming, if you can. I'm sure there's a few people who will be smiling to see what you have typed. Then again, there will be other people asking for the proof that you naturally can't give...

Thanks.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Skarekrow




Meck - This is the island housing the exo-atmospheric kill vehicles launch pad. Other various ballistic rockets are also deployed from this location, containing `packages` that are of Crypto OMNI & UMBRA top secret classification.


Thanks for the post and information Skarekrow. I would like to know if Meck or any of the other islands have a unusually long runway. I have been into Kwaj before in a DC-8 and it was not very long. They must have others for support and I suspect another real long one for single stage to orbit and return vehicle.


There are other Pacific sites where there are active secret space missions:

Wake Island & Johnson Island (supposedly decommissioned, but my gut tells me there are some serious clandestine activity continuing there) to name a couple more.


Wake I can see. Johnston I was in about 10 years ago and it looked quiet except for this huge building on the south side. Johnston is small but remember that's where they launched the first hydrogen bombs into space from. I believe that was back in 1957 or 1958 but recently I thought I saw those tests dates bumped up to 1961 in rewritten recorded history. I could be wrong.

This was taken on final approach to Johnston.


This shot was taken on takeoff.



And this is me in front of operations.



Do you know if we have Saturn V or larger rockets at Kwaj?

Do you know if Diego Garcia ever was used to launch the Saturn V back in the 1970's?

How about Marcus? Does Japan have a launch site there?

I thought Midway was Dept. of Wildlife but you never know. 100 miles southeast of Midway there is a Reef called Perle & Hermes. On GoogleEarth there is a shielding square over part of the island. I suspect it is a Navy secret base.

One more question. 10 years ago when I was flying LAX-HNL I knew some guys who where flying cargo trips 3 times a week into Christmas Island (Kiribati) for a rocket base. I don't know whether that was on the island or for the Boeing SeaLaunch. There are 2 Christmas Islands, one in the Indian Ocean and the one south of Hawaii. Kiribati was Wernher Von Brauns first choice for an island space launch back in the 50's.

Thanks for your posts Skarekrow they are extremely informative and helpful.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 05:37 AM
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John, you seriously need to photoshop those pants to take them out from under your armpits!!! (Joking!)

Is there a place on Earth that you haven't been???

Nice pictures, they show how easy it can be to build and maintain bases on the smallest pieces of land available, if required. It makes Melville Island look like a country in its own right!

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posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw




John, you seriously need to photoshop those pants to take them out from under your armpits!!! (Joking!)


Omar the Tentmaker was my tailor. He told me if I was not going to wear suspenders to hold my pants up then the waist would have to be ON TOP of the bulge. It was as simple as that.

Thanks for the post.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:10 PM
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You indicate the Namur side of the island has the most sophisticated or one of the most sophisticated radars on the planet and you put emphasize on the planet. Am I reading into something here that you can not discuss possibly the Moon or Mars also has a very sophisticated based radar system. Rik Riley



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by rikriley






sophisticated radars on the planet and you put emphasize on the planet. Am I reading into something here that you can not discuss possibly the Moon or Mars also has a very sophisticated based radar system. Rik Riley



I am going to guess that SkareKrow is talking about the radar systems in orbit rather than on Mars or on the Moon.




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