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What is the purpose of hell?

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posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Elhardt

"A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. ‘The Good News’, he said, ‘is that some of them had a blissful encounter with a being of light.’ The bad news, however, is that over half of the patients ‘had a perfectly appalling time.’ The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. ‘Reluctantly,’ he said, ‘I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die.’"



Since the majority of people believe in Jesus Christ that study would line up with the theory that it is the believers that end up in hell.

I don't think you go anywhere. I think it is all a trick of the mind. Wherever you believe you will go is where your mind tricks you into think you are going as the final currents of electricity flow through your brain.

Think you are going to hell? Then you will go there.

Think you are going to heaven? Then you will go there.

I choose to believe that I become a human solar kite with the ability the float rapidly from Galaxy to galaxy, taking in all the marvels of the uiniverse. And thus, that's what I will be experiencing as I take my last breaths.

What is your reality?




posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 08:48 PM
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“Typically ignorant” yes, that’s right, we atheists are completely ignorant because of course all we have is logic, commonsense, morality, and an understanding of how the universe works through science. You religious folk have it all, an entire sense of law and order valued according to a book written 2000 years ago. We atheist are really missing out, what I’d give to be able to believe in something through blind faith.

“False statements” damn, you did it again, everything that comes out of our mouths is complete BS, we just come up with crap and pretend it’s backed with evidence and then make it a theory, that then gets taught in schools……we’re total BS artists…. Though you Christians, Muslims and all, damn, everything you say is one 100% true, even though what one religions sects of beliefs may differ and defy another, somehow you guys do it…….



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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Hell.

Hell is a word to describe one's own worst scenario.

It technically doesn't exist. Your post is based off of a multitude of religious influences and paranoias.

You make your hell. You make your heaven. You are your own spiritual being.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 08:59 PM
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Hell is trying to deny ignorance to someone who cannot see, doesn't listen and only hears what he/she wants too!


I just wonder why people worry about heaven and hell when life is here and now. If you make mistakes learn from them and if things are good then enjoy it while it last. Just know good from bad, right from wrong and find out the rest after this life.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 09:04 PM
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This is the only 'Hell' believers will ever know and the only 'heaven' the ungodly will ever know, unless they repent!

Being a 'good' person is unatainable without Jeshua, who IS perfect.
He was the gift for our sins. period.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
the purpose of hell. very simple. to keep you here at the earths core as long as possible so you won't make your way to heaven. that way you won't be able to re-create your body and start over. Hell is like a vaccum cleaner and it wants to suck up the souls when they leave the body.


So.. You're saying Hell Sucks ?!



Had to throw that in.. On topic however, why would anyone want to start over.. One time in this realm is enough..



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 02:06 AM
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We have some interesting comments on this issue.


Originally posted by Solarskye
Hell was invented in the ancient days by men of power who felt it was the only way to hold the masses of ignorant people under their power. It is the same today.

That's true.

But the concept of hell stemmed from actual experiences.

No one in the flesh or in the Spirit dictates who goes to a hellish dimension. It is determined by The Light.

However, in knowing about certain spiritual principles, one can oftentimes make at least a fairly good estimate as to who will not be able to ascend very far into The Light after bodily death.

For example, mass murderers and serial rapists cannot ascend very far into The Light. What they want and what they think they deserve is irrelevant.


Originally posted by bmpemb
I believe that Hell was never meant to be a place for the human spirit. Rather a place for all the Angels that rebelled against God, to be separated from God.

One lesser-known fact about early Christianity and early Judaism is that many believed that one can become an angel. But the truth is, as I have found from my experience as a spiritual medium, is that WE ALL STARTED OUT AS ANGELS, billions of years ago. To be an angel means nothing more than being a soul of basic spirituality, with a Dominant Aura Color of yellow. It is not a highly evolved soul at all. "Yellows" get into all kinds of trouble. Most Group Entities consist of yellow discarnates on the Fourth Plane.


Originally posted by Elhardt
"A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. ‘The Good News’, he said, ‘is that some of them had a blissful encounter with a being of light.’ The bad news, however, is that over half of the patients ‘had a perfectly appalling time.’ The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. ‘Reluctantly,’ he said, ‘I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die.’"

"I had a near death experience in 1995. I was in a complete and total hell for 5 days. I was in the worse places and not just one ....more like many experiences all of them equally as terrifying"

"Many feel betrayed by religion. Many resent the endless banter on television talk shows about "the Light," all that warmth and love and joy exuded from those who seemed to have experienced heaven."

So read and learn and stop the lies about hell being made up to control people already. These encounters don't come from the bible or religion. They come from first hand experiences, many of them atheists. So it looks like religion was right all along. And notice the last quote about people feeling betrayed by religion. Gee, I thought religion made it plenty clear there was a hell. Seems more like people filtering out what they don't want to accept which is typical of modern watered down religion that keeps telling people that everybody is good and there is no such thing as sin.

Elhardt is right in that ideas of heaven and hell come from actual encounters from many people over the centuries.


Stemming back from time immemorial.

Unfortunately, the concept of hell was used as a way to control the masses. This is also why direct references to the concept of rebirth was omitted from the Bible, by order of Emperor Justinian in the Sixth Century - something not taught in Sunday school.

But heaven and hell do exist. Reincarnation does too but not in the Hindu context of immediately re-entering the flesh after death. The soul goes into the Primary Reality, that of Spirit, and then makes a decision to come back. For those who do, they must compete with others for the birth and life conditions that they desire. The more mature souls take time to reflect at length and serve others in the Spirit before, if at all, they decide to return to the flesh.

Heaven, hell, and reincarnation exist for those who believe in elves, for those who are atheists, for those who believe in Jesus being God, for those who believe that Jesus/Issa was only a prophet, and for everyone in every faith, denomination, and philosophy.

Heaven and hell are determined by one's ability to ascend into The Light. We are not rewarded in a future life. We are rewarded or punished by our relationship with The Light after death and in the discarnate dimensions. If we are spiritually retarded, we are indirectly forced to stay in miserable conditions and to be around others of like mind and focus, until we strive to amend karmic debts and become more principled.

The Light that NDE-ers, Spiritualists, and many others talk about is not some vague metaphysical allegory. It is the energy of Spirit. When one sees it and ascends into it, it means that the vibration of the soul is raising and that the consciousness of the soul is expanding.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO ESCAPE from The Light and the Universal Law that governs it. It applies to every sentient being, every soul, in ALL THAT IS.

Those who lead lives of moral corruption find that they have a very difficult time going into The Light to a spiritual place.

Learning how to go into The Light is the key to finding long-term contentment on the Other Side
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The choices we make in life matters deeply.

Life is a golden opportunity to live a spiritual life in a world of darkness.

Life is very important because how we have lived our life largely determines how far we can go into the light.

Near Death Experience Research Conclusions

So it isn't all just fantasy.

The Light, which is nonliving and infinite, represents the only way that reality can be manifested. It is not a respecter of persons. It could care less about what anyone thinks or wants. All it "cares" about is the soul's ability to love genuinely and deeply, and its application (or lack thereof) of The Golden Rule.

Near Death Experience research confirms this appraisal





posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 02:24 AM
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My question is this.

If there truly is a divine being, a lord and savior, a God and creator, the alpha and omega.......and if there is truly a "hell" or an eternal lake of fire and suffering set aside and awaiting those who do not follow his instructions.....if in fact your all knowing all loving higher power created such a place.......

What does that tell you about your God?

You, my friend, are worshiping a vengeful, sick, sadistic monster.

But he loves you!!!
Primitive at best.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 02:34 AM
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ignorant atheists?
i'm quite sorry, but i'm far from ignorant on christian theology (if we were talking islamic, hindu, or shinto theology, i'd agree with you that i'm ignorant).

...and NDEs aren't experiences of heaven and hell, they're neuro-chemical drug trips that we can recreate in a lab.

by the way, they also tend to hit cultural markers... depending on where you live and the cultural you grew up in, you have different near death experiences.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 03:57 AM
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Heaven and hell are one and the same. Both bs...
The logic behind this and even worst, believing in it is so incredibly stupid.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 04:10 AM
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What is the purpose of hell?

To show you that you are devoid of having "Heart".

To remind you that you are not having "Heart".

Without "Heart" you life has no real meaning, and you can not know what life is all about. Emptiness of spirit, devoid of any real meaning or purpose to your life is what Hell is. You have to assign your own purpose but it is not of the Spirit and Spirit is necessary to continue life and fear not. Without "Heart" you can live and perhaps even think that you are living better. Those other people do not have Heart is often said, but then you are missing out on your consciousness being open to any Good that may be happening even if it seems very small. All you will see is the negativity of the World and with the lack of Spirit all things come to have no real meaning. Having "Heart" frees the Spirit to dwell in another place, apart from the negativity, to claim to yourself that you have purpose, a meaning to your life, and that others will see a difference in your person and respond accordingly but only to his/her own Spirit or lack of Spirit or many shades inbetween.

Thus Hell can only be seen as having a purpose that is devoid of any 'Good', a place where you know that without Spirit, only Evil will be done.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 04:24 AM
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Good, small, negativity, evil, it's all relative...



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 08:47 AM
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posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 09:39 AM
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gehenna = hell,

see cf.blb.org...,10362,22530&Topic=Gehenna&DictID=

if you don't desire to click the blue letter bible dictionary link,
i'll put the short story;


...a deep, narrow glen to the south of Jerusalem,
where idolatrus Jews offered their children in sacrifice to Molech ....

...This valley afterwards became the common receptacle for all the refuse
of the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by the fire kept always burning...



it's not too hard to see how Church clergy & the scribes turned the fact into a symbolic place in the afterlife & made hell one of the foundations
of their church dogmas & belief...for whatever reason... good or ill.



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just a little something to chew on,

ever notice that just about all major cities all over the world, that
it is the south side of that metropolis that is the poorer, seedy,
dangerous part of town!? (in relation to other sections of the city)

is this a carry over ?, or something like an archtype/ shared wisdom
of the human psyche...
just as the gehenna that was in south Jerusalem
so was the siteing of the local hell-hole/burning dump/gehenna with all the other ancient cxities in the middle east such as Babylon, Ur, Baalbeck, and all the others.
And all civilizatins have this knack or un-conscious drive to follow that pattern of organizing a city == trash, dumps, paulpers fields, ghettos are trended to the south


[edit on 4-12-2007 by St Udio]



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 10:22 AM
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interesting observation that the garbage is gotten rid of in the south--------funny the back of our house is in the south and down below it is our garden-where we also compost all the tablescraps and used cat litter------------so i guess we should feel sorry for the king of the south? and the british convicts that were sent to australia to get rid of them?i live in the north and hate this cold weather up here---------wouldnt mind moving south also just as long as i can live with my own race and be clear of our own crazies as well



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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The only reason for Hell is to scare impressionable people into doing what you want. Remember when you where little and your parents maybe would scare you into being good by telling you about the boogeyman? He'll get you if you're bad or don't clean your room. Well that's what Hell is, it's the boogeyman for grown ups. Kinda like how Jesus is the adult's Santa. People can't handle being totally responsible for themselves or alone they need to know it will be ok as long as you do what your told. I wish there was a Hell, even more so than a Heaven sometimes because there are l alot of people who are going to leave this world a mess all in the name of money and I wish they could magically burn alive for ever and ever, but that's not life, sometimes the bad guys get away.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 02:37 PM
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I'd like to hear a more informed reply to this post. In the OT they don't really even mention an afterlife. So first off, I'd have to ask, what happens to people who died before Jesus? Did heaven and hell not exist at that point? I find the biblical concept of hell pretty lame. You're in pain from all the flames and there's nothing fun to do. Big deal. Wouldn't hell be a lot more interesting if it had its own totalitarian society? The lake of fire's a pretty burnt idea too. Is it true destruction? And if it is, what's wrong with that? Don't most atheists already believe in eternal destruction? No skin off their backs.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 03:40 PM
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The purpose of hell is fear...nothing more nothing less.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 03:52 PM
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It would have to exist to have a purpose.



posted on Dec, 4 2007 @ 05:13 PM
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Well, hell was created during the establishment of the Jewish nation eons ago. It didn't really exist before that. Ever since, people have thought it true. But I'm highly suspicious.




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