Originally posted by traderonwallst
That a whole lot of assumptions. Didn't anyone ever tell you when you assume...you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". Please don't include me in your assumptions.

1. I didn't include you in any assumptions.
2. ..In fact I didn't really assume anything. I gave a viable alternate theory of him getting a coworker up the stick and then calling it 'a donation'. That news story is heavily biased.
What I have seen you doing is biting the official line hook line and sinker about the evil lesbians conning this poor charitable man without even bothering to dig any deeper. Obviously something else has gone on and yes he DID claim the kid as his own as he's on the BC and tried to establish a father son relationship by sending prezzies from 'dad'. Sorry.. can't have it both ways so he's not really a victim imo.

Btw. Please allow others to have alternative opinions as otherwise all it's going to do is turn a discussion into a gay bashing woman hating thread.

Oh. it has already.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by riley]

Are those so-called feminists happy now?

The important thing to understand here is...

...He allowed his name to be put on the Birth Certificate!!!

That was his mistake.

Originally posted by Raist
I think it is more of a free money issue than an actual child support issue. This is just one more example of a system that gives hand outs to those who do not deserve it while screwing over the person who had good intentions at heart.

The lesbian couple should, by rights, be classified as the TWO parents. The Child Support system, if it's anything like it is in Australia, is designed to extract the maximum amount of money possible so the Government can save on welfare costs, leaving the paying parent in poverty and the receiving parent profiting greatly.
Most likely, because he is/was a doctor, all someone saw was $$$$$$$$.
Yes, it seems to be a "free money" issue. "Child" support is the convenient excuse.

[edit on 3/12/07 by NuclearPaul]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
[Donate is a odd word, they are giving their sperm, sex or not, they are STILL the true father, in the real world giving sperm the sex way, then going about and forgetting about the baby, as if it dont excist, not having responsibilty over the baby, well thats what some like to call a bad man.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by _Phoenix_]

I would like to see you tell that to the father, who actually brought the child up. If a married couple conceive through sperm donation.....and a father lovingly brings up a child for 18 years; does some stranger really have the right to walk back into the life of the child and say. Hey stop calling him daddy, I am your real daddy?

Come on.....please. Your making no sense. The father is the father who brings the child up. He did not participate in bringing the child up, made no decisions and let the 2 mothers bring him up as they saw fit. If he is being forced to provide child support, he should also be allowed to take the 2 women to court for sole custody. Am I wrong? or you going to be a hyppocrite and only take the side of the women in this case? Ya see, you can;t have the rules work both ways.

Originally posted by riley
1. I didn't include you in any assumptions.
2. ..In fact I didn't really assume anything. I gave a viable alternate theory of him getting a coworker up the stick and then calling it 'a donation'. That news story is heavily biased.
What I have seen you doing is biting the official line hook line and sinker about the evil lesbians conning this poor charitable man without even bothering to dig any deeper. Obviously something else has gone on and yes he DID claim the kid as his own as he's on the BC and tried to establish a father son relationship by sending prezzies from 'dad'. Sorry.. can't have it both ways so he's not really a victim imo.

Btw. Please allow others to have alternative opinions as otherwise all it's going to do is turn a discussion into a gay bashing woman hating thread.

Oh. it has already.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by riley]

You did make assumptions. And as far as I am concerned they are assumptions that are WAYYYYY out there. Almost to the point as being ridiculous (without any kind of evidence). I bet the mothers never truly saw him as a father but just a donor. Anyone can have an opinon, just as long its viable. Your opinion, is not viable unless there is some kind of proof. Your opinion is just way to far out in left field.

And when the hell did I evere turn anything into a discussion about gay bashing or woman hating?

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
[The lesbian couple should, by rights, be classified as the TWO parents.
[edit on 3/12/07 by NuclearPaul]

Can not possible classify 2 women as parents. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to concieve a child. All children have 1 mother and 1 father. This statement is for classification purposes only. If I adopt a child and 10 years from now find out that the mother won a lottery, despite being a drug addict when she gave the child up, do I have a right to sue her for child support? Of course not. I raised that child, that child is mine. But if you live in the state of NY, that mother can now sue you for the return of her child. The system is completely wrong. You give up the rigths, you can't get them back. Its just not fair for parent to love a child for any amount of time, just to have them taken back because someone changed their minds.

Originally posted by traderonwallst

I would like to see you tell that to the father, who actually brought the child up. If a married couple conceive through sperm donation.....and a father lovingly brings up a child for 18 years; does some stranger really have the right to walk back into the life of the child and say. Hey stop calling him daddy, I am your real daddy?

Come on now your starting to make things up, I didnt say anything about this, all Im saying is that consequences CAN happen, being a sperm donor is something that shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont know where your getting these ideas.

Let this be a lesson to anyone who wants to donate sperm. The guy’s mistake was having contact with the child. He sent a card signed “dad” so the kid reads the card and thinks “I have a daddy!". It’s not something you are going to forget. When you get sperm from a sperm bank a situation like this is not possible. Why would two people in the medical industry have trouble finding a sperm bank? Is it a gay rights thing? Maybe she wanted some of that Doctor DNA?

Dang he has got to pay and did not even get to enjoy the sex that comes with making a baby. Sucks to be him for sure

IMHO as far as i can tell oral contracts mean nothing..he should of documented it officially and not allowed his name to be put on birth certificate..the mother being a doctor herself, i wouldnt imagine finances to be a problem there..maybe just greed..

lesson learnt by all men considering doing this type of donation...

Originally posted by traderonwallstYou did make assumptions. And as far as I am concerned they are assumptions that are WAYYYYY out there.

Assuming he had sex with the coworker to get her pregnant is not an assumption thats 'way out there'.. it's a viable theory. The FACT that he's asked for paternity tests suggests they didn't use labs at all.. in fact it suggests he's not even sure she was a lesbian. Lesbians aren't really prone to having sex with various men and I doubt very much other men would have stupid enough to consent to such an arrangement without a contract.

Almost to the point as being ridiculous (without any kind of evidence).

You haven't provided any evidence that the lesbians were in the wrong.. you've just said 'thats not fair' repetively.

I bet the mothers never truly saw him as a father but just a donor.

In fact he had alot of contact with the kid in his younger years.. with visits, prezzies and cards. HE asked for his name to out his name on the BC to give the kid 'a sense of identity': ie. know who his father is. Thats called a 'benefit'.
Then they moved away from him. Doesn't sound like he complied with the 'absent sperm doner with no benefits' at all.. he made a point of making sure his son knew who his father is.

Anyone can have an opinon, just as long its viable. Your opinion, is not viable unless there is some kind of proof. Your opinion is just way to far out in left field.

yep, yep, yep..
Thats a few times you've said that yet.. without actually explaining WHY it's illogical you just keep abusing me for it.

And when the hell did I evere turn anything into a discussion about gay bashing or woman hating?

You've tried to shoot down all opposing arguments [well mine] as being 'ridiculous'.. and if you'll bother to look, you'll see the very next post following my last one makes a snide, biggoted remark about feminists.

That is what happens when you don't allow others to voice their opinions. This is now the 2nd post of mine you've publically dismissed as being full pf assumptions. FACT is most men who donate sperm sign contracts where they sign away their rights to the child. He gave a verbal agreement [apparently] yet HE broke it. This is reported in the story so how is it an assumption? His excuse is just as weak as any man who's said "but she said she was on the pill." He's a wealthy, married doctor.. not some college student who got paid to donate in a cup one day. Why would he not seek legal advice before donating his sperm? Something else went on.. and thats not an assumption.. thats stating the obvious.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by riley]

Originally posted by riley
What kind of married man donates sperm to a co-worker just to be nice? yeah right..

I would drop one in a cup for a co-worker. What can I say, I'm a nice guy.
Of course, I'm not married, so any excuse to scrap works for me. And besides, it's not like you're agreeing to be a surrogate, you're just takin' a few minutes to handle your business.

Look, if I were this guy I'd be all like, "look honey, if you're going to act like we were together, then let's make it official. That's right, naughty time equals money, how do ya like them apples, whore."

But I'm a filthy pig, so what do I know?


And apparently a stupid one, edited for spelling. And I'm sure there are some more mistakes.

Edited again for poor writing style...

The tastelessness however...
that can stay


[edit on 12/3/2007 by Sunsetspawn]

one thing i dont understand about this, is that if both mothers are working and we know the actual mother is a doctor..money isnt an issue. so why are they chasing him now..for support?
for the young man(18yrs old) to say he has only ever know (donar) as his father...yet the father was only contacting them up to age of 4..seems odd..what about 14yrs after that? did his mothers keep pointing it out over the years..and is this more about the young man(18yrs old) wanting the money or the mother.

with some luck maybe the donar(father) may actually have some sort of relationship with his son after this..