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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 02:22 PM by therainmaker
Two things:

1) No matter what people say, and I am a person who knows absolutely nothing about electronic manipulation of photos, I find this story very intriguing, and as soon as warmer weather is upon us I plan to take a trip to the area to see what I may be able to find. I have already ordered the USGS topo maps for the area and plan to start there as far as guessing where likely locations for any of this activity would be.

2) In my spare time I've been mulling over different pieces of this puzzle in my mind. Yesterday I got a new bit of information that might prove helpful. Regarding the photo showing the Native American-style head logo. I saved the photo and have been showing it to various military history buffs that I know. Of course, I don't tell them where I saw it or what the context was. Yesterday a friend showed me the US Army Heraldry website where he had been looking, and he found something interesting. Apparently the 98th Infantry Division, from 1943-1967, had an insignia that could be similar to the one in the ILP photo. And they were located in New York. Unfortunately the site only shows the unit's current insignia, which is not much at all like the one in the ILP photo, however the person who remembered the old 98th insignia said that as far as he could remember (he's getting older and memory isn't what it once was) it did bear at least a close resemblance to the logo shown in the ILP photo. I realize this does not provide any more proof that the ILP existed, but perhaps it is a step in the direction of narrowing down where those photos may have come from.


reply posted on 23-2-2008 @ 12:27 AM by Bspiracy
reply to post by therainmaker



Excellent.

I'm still interested in this story and am glad someone has brought further indication of the possibility of truth. I feel a significance by the recognition from someone who revealed more than an adequate amount of related info that matches in form. The info dates and originates within the era of this story.. is it significant ?

I guess since you've been looking into this, how many Indian head logos HAVE you found. Matches aren't necessary but the subject is. If we have 400 bases and only 3 matches of an Indian head or a similar Native American theme to this story then the odds this is a coincidence drops REAL low.
if there are 95 bases out of 400 that have native American Indian head theme logos then this doesn't mean all that much.

Don't broadcast the exact date you are going up there btw
EDITE TO ADD THIS LINK OF ABOVE REFENCED INSIGNIA

b

[edit on 23-2-2008 by Bspiracy]


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 07:57 PM by therainmaker
OK folks I have received a reply from the historian I showed the photos to.

I only sent him the photos that included military personnel, as well as the building and he steel box itself.

His conclusion: the uniforms all date from early WWII, and the photos were taken at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. The terrain and something about the way the building was set upon its foundation, or lack of (I forgot what he said), led him to believe it was Ft. Sam Houston. He said the building was the style built right before WWII, and typically demolished during early WWII to make way for the white two-story barracks that we all still see surviving on military bases today.

The main photo that I was interested in was the one with the two soldiers and the "Indian head" logo. He said that the white chevrons being worn by the man on the right are rayon and were only made and authorized for wear for a short time in early WWII. He was certain they were not post-WWII khaki chevrons. He said the "Indian head" logo was a morale logo from a unit in the 2d Infantry Division before the famous "star in shield" insignia was approved (and he proceeded to give me a 10-minute history lesson on he "star in shield" insignia). The letters below it should be AEF, for American Expeditionary Forces, and may be doctored to appear to say "ILP" in the photo. He said that while he had never seen that particular logo before, the "Indian head" and letters AEF were a popular combination seen on morale patches and logos made by small units in the 2d ID.

In addition, the Officers' dress uniform and tie style was used in early WWII.

That is all I can recall, I did take notes but he called when I was sleeping so my memory may not be the best; I will need to schedule another call with him soon.


reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 09:21 AM by nolongerindenial
I just got of the phone with someone who spent summers at a relatives back in the 50's and early 60's. When I mentioned I found something online with pictures of kids and numbers she said ' you mean that indian whatever military program upstate, right? wasn't that near the canadian border? I know it was about 4 hours from the city when I would go each summer' Seems as though there was a military facility in that area back then, alot of kids were taken from catholic orphananges in NYC as well as upstate NY. This time period for some reason the orphananges were packed. The person I just spoke to is in her mid 60's herself and has nothing to hide but loves to talk. Anyway she said back then people knew the horrors that were going on at that location but things were different then, you minded your own business (especially since it involved the military). People just stayed away from there, anything discussed about the place was done in whispers with people concerned of their own childrens safety. No one publicly questioned much of anything back then from what she said. I don't know if she is off her rocker?? My question is how did she connect the pictures with the so called ILP if no one had ever seen the pictures until they were online? Once again we are talking about a woman in her mid 60's, she doesn't drive, no computer ( i have tried endlessly to show her how to read the paper online with my laptop when she babysits my daughter and she always ends up exing out the window..lol). I couldn't stay on the phone with her because my kid was screaming and I have to run out but I am definitely going to try and go to her house later and see what else she knows.
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