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Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars

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posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 09:56 AM
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Has anybody else seen the Video of the demonstrations that are taking place in the shooters neighborhood?

Guess I'm a little duh. I didn't realize that was happening.


[edit on 12/3/07 by makeitso]




posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:05 AM
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God. People.

We're all confused little ants, running around trying to find some sense of purpose.

At least when the protestors chanted "USA!" I laughed out loud.


We're such simpletons and I fear we'll never be anything more.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:27 AM
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Here is a Houston Chronicle article of the protest.

Quanell X and the New Black Panther Nation are on scene in support of the protesters.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller


I would give him 3 years in prision to shape up!


that is a fantastic idea[/sarcasm]
lets send em to the joint so they can get an education on how to be a better criminal, and come out with a record....good luck getting a job then.

in the end, this guys actions MAY have been excessive, BUT, you can't go breaking into peoples homes.

and i have asked at least 3 times in this thread and i have not seen a reply by anyone so i will ask again..

have any of you been the victim of a home invasion? have you ever had that feeling of your security being ripped from you.
have you spent lets say, 23 years or so thinking about it?

in the end, had these kids NOT burgled the house, they would be alive.

action/reaction



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:47 AM
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i have no formal firearms training but i hit the range.
at ten feet away(like these guys were), with my taurus i believe i could tag em in the leg. 'maybe' not the first shot but my clip holds 17 and i have 3 of em.
so yeah, i think i could make the shot.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:51 AM
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I wouldn't shoot anyone other than the torso to appease others. A gut shot with a pistol should suffice and probably wouldn't be fatal, but with a shotgun... You could take out the legs easily.

If somebody did break into my home.. It wouldn't be just the legs or just the torso..


Rattatatatatatatatatatatatatatataaaatatatata.

Wherever, you know?



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:55 AM
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and ya know, i PROBABLY could too...but, if you feel your lifes in danger (you are afterall pointing a loaded weapon at another human so you must feel theres an immediate danger to your life yeah?) are you going to risk a hollywood bs shot or are you going to go for the part of the body that gives you the best overall chances of coming out of this alive?

and having 3 mags is great honestly...but at the range do you practice combat reloading? if you cant swap out mags in a real hurry under duress and you missed 17 times (yeah i know, but sh..tuff happens) then while yer fumbling to get that next one outta yer pocket you could get brained.
so thats somethign id recommend practicing next several times at the range. could save yer life someday.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
 

At least when the protestors chanted "USA!" I laughed out loud.


Yeah That was most fricken surreal!

USA. USA?

What was that all about?



[edit on 3/12/2007 by skibtz]



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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OK I also have to give my two cents. I'm a huge gun rights advocate. Hell I'm all for open carry. I listened to the 911 calls last week and I'll agree he had no reason to go out and shoot those guys who were robbing his neighbors house. His life was not in danger at all. If he had encountered the thieves in his own house that is a different story.

What if they were there to help move some stuff from a friends house and this numbnuts thought they were stealing? It could be any reason but it was not his property and his life was not in danger in his own house. He had the police on the line and they would have been there momentarily. He should have grabbed a camera instead of a shotgun in case the police didn't make it there in time.

Maybe a shotgun blast in the air telling the theives to drop everything might have worked but he had no reason to shoot at these guys. A warning shot would have him charged with an illegal discharge in city limits but that would have been better than what he is facing now.

Believe me if anyone ever threatens my life or my familiy they will be worm dirt in no time at all. I just don't think taking a life over material posessions that are not even yours is wrong.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by on_yur_6]



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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Your comments would actually mean something if they were true. I expressed an opinion. I did not state what I thought other people should think, do, or feel. My post begins with, "In my view...", and that should be sufficient enough to avoid any conflict with what others might say. I didn't speak for you or anybody else. And I especially didn't speak for any political party. I offered my own point of view and kept it restricted to myself.

On the other hand, you offered an opinion that was directed at "liberals". Well, is it so obvious that all liberals are in disagreement with you? Why not be more direct in who you are referring to? What does political affiliation have to do with what one might think on a given case? If one isn't running for office, what's the point of bearing down political lines in a non-political discussion? The issue in this thread is already polarized, what good would polarizing the issue on political grounds accomplish?



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:11 AM
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When people help move things from my house I am always pleased when they break out the windows with a crow bar and then use those windows during the move. The door is way too easy.

They were shot in the shooter's yard. May be his house was next on the list, if we are going to what-if.

Note to thieves or would be thieves...never make your get away through the yard of different house, the owner may be armed.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:25 AM
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you're a tough sounding lady. My mom was like you. You remind me of her.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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Hahahahahahahaha...


I hope your mom doesn't have what I have, or the rest of your life might be a little awkward. Bro.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Damocles


if you feel your lifes in danger (you are afterall pointing a loaded weapon at another human so you must feel theres an immediate danger to your life yeah?) are you going to risk a hollywood bs shot or are you going to go for the part of the body that gives you the best overall chances of coming out of this alive?



well, if for whatever reason i am in my garage with the door open and i have my gun on my hip(which i do quite often) and some 'thugs' came up i would think a hollywood 'bs' shot would suffice....like if they pulled out a blade and said gimmie the keys to your car....

in my home though, thats a different story.
i have been the vic of a home invasion(btw, still no answers by anyone to my question) and i REFUSE...i mean i absolutely REFUSE to let happen to me what happened to my parents all those years ago...
IF someone made it into my house or were in the process of trying to make it in my window, my assumption would be they are there to kill me and/or harm and kill my wife and as i said, i REFUSE...
i would shoot them and i would kill them.

i have thought about this every day of my life...i will face whatever happens after but i will not be a vic ever again....no way, no how.


as far as combat reloading or whatever you call it, no, i don't practice that faithfully.
when i am done with a clip though i do dump it and pop the new one in, 'kinda fast' and get back to it.....

i am not a great shot but i am good enough i think.

also, i have a sawed off shotgun so if i hear someone that is in my home already, they will probably get chopped in half(not literally) with my 12 gauge.


would someone PLEASE answer my friggin question.

i know this man in the story was not the one being invaded but just for curiosity, i would like to know if anyone here has been a victim of home invasion....
were you home?



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:39 AM
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AWKWARD..>...*hanging . in shame....I'm sorry...its the avatar..



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by sigung86

Originally posted by samuraijack
Frontier ... is why.........in my opinion we wait for the proper authorities that have been trained to respond accordingly. If our authorities are'nt responding fast enough then that's when we speak up and complain about them not doing their jobs.


Good God! What was all that... And in one paragraph?

Here is a typical misinterpretation of reality. Sorry, but come on folks...
The Police man is not your friend. His duty is not to respond in time to keep you from having to make a moral ethical, self-determination. The Police are there to control crime, period. Unfortunately, that happens after the fact, more often than not. When we speak up about them not doing their job? They are, doing their jobs.

I get that for you it is more reasonable for someone else to have to get their hands dirty and do your work for you.

If you want the Television version of the police, you need to live somewhere where there is at least one policeman, armed and uniformed, living on every block in every area where people reside, 24 hours a day.

It is also up to you to defend yourself if you are threatened. Fortunately, recently, more states (not just Texas) are starting to wise up to the self defense rights of people who own homes, property and perhaps have loved ones they don’t want to depend on Mr. Police Officer to defend... And just so happen to not be afraid to do what is necessary to keep the criminal element in check. The extent of the victim mentality just, on occasion, makes me shake my ..

For you, I would reiterate Thomas Jefferson, whom I believe said, approximately, "Those who are willing to give up their individual freedoms for protection, deserve neither.

* How are they getting paid? If we are responsible for their salary then let them do their jobs. The proper authorities are trained accordingly to deal with the risk and legal issues,so let them get their hands dirty. Or else the money will be wasted.

*I have no problem with self-defense. If you noticed as you stated Jefferson uses the term individual meaning oneself or ones family. Does this mean I can kill who I want because I fear the unknown or based on what I perceive as a threat anywhere at anytime? That would'nt be my individual protection, According to what Thomas Jefferson wrote I would be wrong if individual have the meaning I think it does. In Horns case, because of his vigilantism he may have to face a member of one of the burgulars family or possibly someone else the burgular know personally in the future, This is one reason vigilantism should not take place.



[edit on 2-12-2007 by sigung86]



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:03 PM
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My personal opinion is that if you engage in risky and vile behavior like home invasion, you should fully expect a bullet in the ..

The bottom line is and shall remain: They would still be alive if they hadn't broken into somebody else's home.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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I haven't been in an invasion but I have had my home ransacked a few times. Even that leaves a rather bad feeling. In your case I can see your point of view and back you up on it.

I've been threaten with a weapon while unarmed.

There are some less than honest people out there and banking on luck and randomness for safety isn't what I rely on.



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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Its pretty ballsy to break into someones house in broad daylight.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by Digital_Reality]



posted on Dec, 3 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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I wish more crimes ended this way. If every American took it upon himself/herself to protect their person/property with deadly force we wouldn't have any prison overcrowding.

And WTH is that Quanell X guy protesting? His enterage certainly enjoys the 2nd Amendment carrying shotguns around and all.



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