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Israeli military announces readiness to invade Gaza

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posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 05:21 PM
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They didn't steal it. It's just as every social evolution around the world. Jews didn't have a Jewish state established for it to be stolen. In fact, Palestine was raped over by the British and French long before Israel had their turn. It was turned over to the Palestinian people by the British, until 1948. They're probably the most walked on people in modern times.




posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
the RGP-29 has allready broken british and Israelie tanks - and i bet they got alot of them , that and mines everywhere



golly gosh


hows the Israel peace doing - do Israel really want peace - ever?


I feel that Isreal's existance is based on war and fighting, in mass mind that they must fight to "defend" itself but if they stopped fight the nation wouldnt exist. Their nation and society identity is equally tied to them fighting but becoming what they fought agianst.


There wasnt a isreali state after the roman exdus till 1948, the land of gifted to them, would be like London and SW, London to the Romans and the SW of the US to Spain.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 07:42 PM
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Israel has been there for thousands of years. All Arabs know that and even the president of Iran has stated that. He calls the Palestinian people a problem that has existed for 60 years. Arabs couldn't live with the Jews and started troubles and thats why we have the problem today. Israel wants the troublemakers out and the Arab countries wont let them back in their own countries of birth because Arabs came to Israel to work just like the Mexicans in the U.S. Palestine was a region encompassing most of the countries in the mid-east today. You need to study what you speak of because you know nothing of it.
Yassar Arafat made up the name Palestinian to get away from the black September terrorist affiliation even though they were one and the same. Before 1948 there was Israel, Jordan, Syria and Egypt. No country of Palestine. There never has been and never will be.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 08:54 PM
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Israel has been there for thousands of years.


The official "state" of Israel has been around since it's inception in 1948. The Israeli people have been around for 4,000 years. Those people consist of all castes and creeds. But, we're not necessarily talking about ancient history here, are we?



All Arabs know that and even the president of Iran has stated that. He calls the Palestinian people a problem that has existed for 60 years.


Haha, oh god...

He's talking about Israel and their constant assaults on the freedoms of the Palestinian people. He's is a staunch supporter of a free Palestinian state and has often verbalized it in his home country and abroad. Where the hell did you get that idea from?



Arabs couldn't live with the Jews and started troubles and thats why we have the problem today. Israel wants the troublemakers out and the Arab countries wont let them back in their own countries of birth because Arabs came to Israel to work just like the Mexicans in the U.S.


Even given that Arabs are also Jews and Christians? Wouldn't that be "people" opposing "jews," even if they're of similar faiths? I'm not quite sure you understand your classifications. You also have a twisted view of who won't allow people with birth rights into land their family has owned for generations. After the established state of Israel, there was a staggering number of 750,000 Palestinians who were killed to make way for the new government and those who supported it. Israel has successfully taken over much of what used to be Palestinian territory and have disallowed all settlements that aren't Jews seeking a life in Israel, and actually pay for them to move from places like America, Canada, Sweden, Germany, etc... So you now have Jewish people worldwide being paid to move into land that was once the legal land of disenfrachised Palestinian people.

So, once again you have it backwards.



Palestine was a region encompassing most of the countries in the mid-east today. You need to study what you speak of because you know nothing of it.


Yes, thanks for the clarification on something that didn't need any clarifying. And, I happen to know quite a lot. I'm a huge history buff when it comes to world history, especially modern history concerning the Middle East.


Yassar Arafat made up the name Palestinian to get away from the black September terrorist affiliation even though they were one and the same. Before 1948 there was Israel, Jordan, Syria and Egypt. No country of Palestine. There never has been and never will be.


There was no country of Israel or Palestine. There was however Israelis, Palestinians, Jews, Muslims, Sheiks that were all an existing people, but never the less "displaced" as their country wasn't necessarily established, as it was a group of existing people. In fact, the only thing that backed the "nation" with any substance was the British Mandate of Palestine which established those men and women as a "people," but definitely not an established "state" by international standards. Also, after the mandate, there was an enormous influx of Jewish immigrants, not so much "Arabs," by which I think you mean Muslims, as they were already there

So.. Wrong again. 3 strikes, you're out. And don't ever insult me again. I'm the ATS gravedigger. So hop down so I can throw this dirt on you. Join the rest of the amateurs.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by DeadFlagBlues]



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
Don't underestimate proud Palestinians. I have faith they'll push back their oppressors.

Well said. They will also have an enormous amount of support from elsewhere in the middle east. Maybe Iran?



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by anhinga
...just noticed this clip from Olmert.

news.independent.co.uk...


The state of Israel would be "finished" if prospects of a two-state solution collapsed, its Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has warned. Two opinion polls have shown widespread scepticism among the Israeli public about this week's Annapolis summit.

Mr Olmert told the liberal daily Haaretz: "If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights (also for the Palestinians in the territories), then, as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished."


Well this has been my opinion all along, and my opinion as to why Palestinians, when conquered where not assimulated into the primarily Jewish population of Israel, like most conquered states are.

Apartheid would have been the result. So Israel doesn't want the Palestinians as their citizens, even though they are in a sense their "overlord" anyways. They don't want a separate state either because the separate state is in a constant state of war -- which is not good for any country let alone Palestine which is, in a sense, self destructive.

So Israel is responsible for a people they don't want yet can't get rid of. If they accept all Palestinians as Israeli citizens and they get all the benefits that come with it, Jews will be nearly out numbered, and radical Islamic extremist could actually seize control of Parliament and so forth. Palestinians are not as liberally progressed as Israelis - as in they have not undergone "western" liberal social reforms.

And while many blame Israel out right for everything simply because they are stronger, you cannot help but to notice the self destructive attitude of Palestinians. Both sides see violence as the only option to their dellima.

President Assad of Syria said during the Annapolis Summit that the summit was a complete failure. That was before Israel even had a chance to speak. He may just be able to tell the future, or he may be smart enough to know Israelis and Palestinians are not, will not and cannot be friends.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:03 PM
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Not in regards of troops, but maybe weaponry. I think the Israeli/USA funded Fatah weapons cache should tie them over for a while. They've also got weapons from every black market gun trade in the middle east. If anything, it will widespread support from Muslims in every corner of the world. I guarantee that the Chechen Mujihideen will have some sort of intervention. We'll see how all these different sects of Muslims come together to fight back. It'd be interesting to say the least.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:20 PM
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Does this mean we can have the 500 million dollars back we were supposed to give Israel for the pullout from Gaza?


www.abovepolitics.com...
Government officials revealed yesterday that the total cost of dismantling 25 Jewish communities and withdrawing soldiers has risen 40 per cent over the original estimate. The new figure is seven billion shekels ($1.6 billion).

They made that kind of a buck on it, now they are just going right back in? I guess those quotes I read a while back about Israeli policy of making life impossible for the pallestinians to force their voluntary removal weren't so far out after all.



posted on Dec, 6 2007 @ 11:34 PM
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They killed over 750,000 in the making of the state of Israel. What's a few thousand more?



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
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Not in regards of troops, but maybe weaponry. I think the Israeli/USA funded Fatah weapons cache should tie them over for a while. They've also got weapons from every black market gun trade in the middle east. If anything, it will widespread support from Muslims in every corner of the world. I guarantee that the Chechen Mujihideen will have some sort of intervention. We'll see how all these different sects of Muslims come together to fight back. It'd be interesting to say the least.


Some people sadly mistaken the "community" of Muslim countries and sects.

While almost every Muslim nation except Turkey who is a "secret" trading ally of Israel, they all condemn Israel.

However they do this for the sake of condemning Israel.

When Israel invaded last year and Palestinians ran for their lives to the Egyptian border... and a few broke threw when Egypt after condemning Israel shut the gates, shot at Palestinians and armed the border so all Palestinians remain in the war zone.

Or how about the Palestinian infestation of Lebanon that to this day they still cannot get rid of the Palestinian refugee camps that help fuel violence political factions?

Or why did Jordan work so hard to remove all Palestinian camps from their territory after Palestinians threatened the political stability of the entire Kingdom?

Yeah, all Muslims feel for the Palestinians. Will they do everything to help? No.

If it where as you think, a war with Palestine would be a war with all Islamic countries. Has that happened? No. Because for the most part they are glad Israel is the one who has to deal with the Palestinians, and not them.

Ah. But I know your biased in your opinion.. I should just state that all Muslims hate Israel and Israel is an evil, evil nation that only kills because they take great joy out of killing little Muslim babies.

The problem with the entire situation is people like yourself .. you don't care for the actual situation so much as you care about bias and picking one side over the other regardless of anything.

Israelis see only the Israeli view point.

Palestine only see the Palestinian view point.

No one wants to compromise.

When one side does something its not enough.

There is no understanding of the situation as a whole, so no driving AWAY from violence, and instead a redundant circle.

One side blames the other and wipes their hands clean of the mess and declares no fault of their own.

Yeah. World situations are handled GREAT like that, especially with two cultures and national identities that are so close together.



Plain ignorance.

[edit on 12/7/2007 by Rockpuck]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:52 AM
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Well honestly RP, it is what it is. You and I aren't going to change anything in these little thread exchanges that will be forgotten about tomorrow. As much as I wish all people of every caste and creed would come together and drop their insignificant differences world wide, I know deep down that people aren't ready for that. I don't hate Israel, and I wish Palestine would get their act together.

What it boils down to on this topic is "what's real." Not hypothetically "could be." These two nations were just talking about peace, and unifying a people. Less than a week passes and now Israel is not only ready, but vocalizing their intentions? That doesn't make sense to me, and that kind of immediate posture right after a peace talk looks like blatant aggression, not unification. I know with the current state that Gaza is in under the control of the Hamas doesn't make Israel too secure, but those are the events that have transpired due to their lack of reason in the past.

I've heard report after report of "zoning laws" that Israel enforces on a weekly basis that are creating more and more Palestinian refugees. They bring USA supplied Cat backhoes with a military escort and "rezone" portions of land. This land they're "rezoning" are the inhabited homes of Palestinians. People like you and I, in a different region of the world. Those refugee's who once had a normal life are withdrawn from their home, community, and "god given" land. They then in turn become angry that where they once had a home, there is nothing but leveled fig trees and rubble. The simple mind automatically wants to retaliate in any way he/she can. Usually in the form of joining Hamas or becoming a suicide bomber.

Hamas is the only line of defense when it comes to Palestinian rights. Who do you expect them to go to? Those people who don't want any part of that circle of violence try and leave, but are met with resistance from surrounding nations as you've said. What do they do? They crawl back into the refugee camps, in turn only adding to that kind of frustration and aggravation. Those two things create a contempt for the state of Israel, in which we all would feel if were stuck in the same situation. Thus, they keep the ball of hate rolling.

You're exactly right as far as the perpetual cycle of violence being repeated over and over again, but I don't think it's because the likes of me. I'm very familiar with "middle ground," my friend. I realize I have no say, no influence on the matter and if worse comes to worse, I hope the "aggressor" gets nipped at. The Palestinian people have been steamrolled for nearly 60 years. They are a strong people, as are the Israelis. It comes down to observing this tense situation and watching people have their way with one another. I am in hope that Israel will see it has engaged in another unpopular war, and one of which cannot be brought to a conclusion.

This situation is undeniably human and easy to dissect from an outside perspective, but none of us are in their shoes. Not a single person on these boards could possibly know what it feels like to be faced with the kind of dire situations Palestinians and Israelis face every single day. We should all definitely feel blessed that we're not.




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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:56 AM
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And you're right about the "community" part. I should have designated what groups within those community I mentioned the Chechnen Muji's, but didn't designate other than that. I definitely know there will be an "insurgency" of mass proportions from certain areas like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, Chechnya, and some of the powder cage states. With the tensions between Iran and the US/Israel, I can't see a international "jihad" not happening.




I guarantee that the Chechen Mujihideen will have some sort of intervention. We'll see how all these different sects of Muslims come together to fight back. It'd be interesting to say the least.



Oh, I did.

[edit on 7-12-2007 by DeadFlagBlues]



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 01:56 AM
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I wish Israel the best in their attempt to halt these terrorists once more. Gaza belongs to a democratic nation like Israel. Palestinian harbors a majority of violent-prone religious zealots that are no different than their Islamic neighbors that simply wish to see Israel destroyed.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
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I wish Israel the best in their attempt to halt these terrorists once more. Gaza belongs to a democratic nation like Israel. Palestinian harbors a majority of violent-prone religious zealots that are no different than their Islamic neighbors that simply wish to see Israel destroyed.


Cause and effect, my friend.

That phrase is very, very important when talking about Israel and Palestine. It takes too to tango and neither side have any trouble instigating. Although, from the time I've been observing this hateful relationship between the two countries, I have noticed a majority of the instigating comes from the "democratic Israel."

I speak from no Bias. Negative actions are negative actions, but from what my eyes can see, the meaningless retaliation of the Palestinians is just that.. A retaliatory act. Not all the time, but most of the time. The perpetual cycle of insignificant violence.



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:39 AM
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Bloody Israelis and Arabs fighting ..... Plicks will kill us all !!!!! with the help of the good ole USA and muther F***er Russia

Makes you sick to call them all humans....

I don't believe in aliens but our only hope in this whole F***up is for a dirty great UFO to appear and stuff all their religious bull****

Thats what its all about .. get rid of religion and my kids will have a future

Can the people of this world ever unite ... only with a change of consciousness
Will we realise we are all equal and we all own the world

PLEASE Israel .. show some leadership gawd knows the Palestinians have none



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:49 AM
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Being as though the Israeli's are the ones "ready for war."

This situation is so stupid. This is a 60 year war that hasn't been won by either side since it began. More people are getting slaughtered because of religious and cultural differences. If either country needs to be put in check, it's Israel. But as RockPuck said, it's all about mutual understanding. The way it sits now, this war will rage for another 60 years.

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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 02:59 AM
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Agreed .. Israel is prepared well backed and armed ..

The Palestinians are unprepared isolated with makeshift weapons and child fighters

YET BOTH are unwilling to be a decent part of humanity and WANT war for their own idealogical ....read.... religious purposes

As i stated end religion ... end wars.. peace reigns ..

Am i only enlightened person



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 03:43 AM
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Ending religion would not bring peace, humans would always create other forms of ideologies and segregate each under them and then the cycle continues. The only way to bring peace on earth is to eliminate all life. Is that what you want?



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
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Ending religion would not bring peace, humans would always create other forms of ideologies and segregate each under them and then the cycle continues. The only way to bring peace on earth is to eliminate all life. Is that what you want?


And while this attitude from religious people continues the chance for us to find out if we can live together will always be a bible quote away



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:19 AM
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I feel the same, though. If it wasn't religion creating the issue, it would be culture. If not culture, it would be race. If not race, it would be something else. We're very primitive in thought and action, it will be quite awhile before that's not the case.

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