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Is the 12th the anti-christ?

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posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:23 AM
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The 12th Imam: Why Is This Especially Important Now?
While Christians look for Jesus’ 2nd coming, the Jews await the Messiah and Muslims await the 12th Imam. However, of the three, Allah’s designated Mahdi is the only one who demands a violent path to conquer the world. Mr. Ahmadinejad, and his cabinet, say they have a ‘signed contract’ with al Mahdi in which they pledge themselves to his work. What does this work involve? In light of concerns over Iran’s nuclear capabilities, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reportedly stated Israel should be wiped off the map. He spoke to the United Nations in September ’05. During that speech he claims to have been in an aura of light and felt a change in the atmosphere during which time no one present could blink their eyes. Iran’s PM is also said to have spoken in apocalyptic terms and seems to relish conflict with the West whom he calls the Great Satan. This is while he proclaims he must prepare the world for the coming Mahdi by way of a world totally under Muslim control. He is working hard to bring about the world-wide horrors that must be in place for their al Mahdi to bring peace.

This notion and goal, along with a violent hatred of infidels, America and Israel reminds us of Biblical prophecies of the coming anti-Christ and the pledges of millions to a deceiving False Messiah who will claim to bring peace. Could this 12th Imam Mahdi and his servant Ahmadinejad spark the last days of the coming true Savior?



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Is the 12th the "abomination of desolation" described in Daniel and Mat.?

This would sem to fit both prophesies in the Bible and koran..................

Are Ahmadingdong and "Dubya" conspiring to bring on the end times?




posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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lol, just sounds like propaganda to me. You shouldn't believe everything that you read



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 12:19 PM
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Muslims are awaiting the coming of jesus too actually >_>. Iirc the mahdi is a purely shiite thing.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 01:07 PM
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We probably won't know who the Antichrist is until he appears, if then...

...but I've always thought of the 12th Imam as a "possible" along with a defective pope as another possible.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 08:46 PM
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For the attention to astmonster. Allow me to introduce myself, I am a 21 year old Shi'aa Muslim Male, living in the U.K. and currently studying MEng in Civil Engineering at a top university in the U.K. in that field, and my average so far is a 1st Class Honours. Although the latter information was not neccessary to reveal, however I feel that I should justify to you that I am indeed an educated and open minded person.
I say open minded because at the age of 18 my father told me that I should not follow Islam just because he does. In the Holy Quran God orders us to 'IQR'AA' which translated to 'Read'. In this case the order to 'Read' by god means to educate ones self and to seek the truth. Indeed I started from the basics, questioning the existance of god, once that was delt with I read about the different religions until I arrived back to where I was before, A Shi'ia Muslim. However now i feel like a Shi'ite Muslim.

I will not dwell into this subject for much longer, however I would like to say a couple of things. Firstly all of islams emphasis is on science, and not on assumptions or theories or miracles. For example there is a verse in the Quran which explains the creation of stars and their death, inwhich its detailed descriptions are exactly of that which has been proven by NASA in recent age. Secondly 90% of Muslims in this age are NOT muslims. They say they are but ask anyone of them why are you a muslim? they will struggle to answer. A true muslim knows the answer to that question. Although the answer will be a very long one ofcourse!

It is a huge dissapointment to see the western world create a new type of fear called Islamophobia. Let me make it very clear to you that those 90% of "muslims" arent helping fight this, by their violent protests at the stupidest of causes, their behaviour and immoral beliefs. They are hypocrits, for calling themselves "Muslims" which comes from the word "Musalim" which means a peaceful person, for their actions are totally the opposite peaceful, therefore they have contradicted themselves already!.
Apologies for extending on this matter, but like I mentioned before I wanted to make it clear to you that the true Islam is very rare. Now to talk about Imam Mehdi a.k.a. the awaited saviour. Sadly he has been labelled as the anti-christ. I will try to explain to you Imam Mehdi's role, as you requested this by saying that not many muslims reply to you even though you indicated that you disrespect them, I hope I'm rong because otherwise I would be wasting my time trying to be civilised and respectful to a fellow human being, whom I expect nothing but the same in return. By the way I was on youtube and ended up registering on this website just to answer your post. I would also like to add that I do believe there are Aliens, as mentioned in the Quran, also it would be extremely ignorant of me to assume that we are the only living organisms in the vast universe, not to mention being narrow minded!

Back to the subject of the Imam Mehdi. The Mehdi is not only an embodiment of the Islamic belief but he is also the symbol of an aspiration cherished by mankind irrespective of its divergent religious doctrines. He is also the crystallization of an instructive inspiration through which people, regardless of their religious affiliations, have learnt to await a day when heavenly missio, with all their implications, will achieve their final goal and the tiring march of humanity across history will culminate satisfactorly in peace and tranquillity. This consciousness of the expected future has not been confined to those who believe in the supernatural phenomena but has also been reflected in the ideologies and cults which totally deny the existence of what is imperceptible. For example, dialectical materialism which interprets history on the basis of contradictions believes that a day will come when all contraditions will disappear and complete peace and tranquillity will prevail. Continued..



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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...Continued

Thus we find that this consciousness experienced throughout history is one of the widest and the commonest psychological experience of humanity.

The religion, when it endorses this common consciousness and stresses that in the long run this world will be filled with justice and equity after having been filled with injustice and oppression, gives it a factual value and converts it into a definite belief in the future course of humanity. This belief is not merely a source of consolation, but it is also a source of virtue and strength. It is a source of virtue because the belief in the Mehdi means the total eliminiation of injustice and oppression prevailing in the world. It is a source of strength because it provides hope which enables man to resist frustration, howsoever hopeless and dismal the circumstances may be.

Although the concept of the Mehdi is more wide spread than the Muslim community, yet it is detailed features, as determined by Islam, meet more fully all the aspirations attached to it since the dawn of history. They are in greater conformity with the feelings and sentiments of the oppressed and the persecuted of all times. It is Islam which has given a concrete shape to an abstract idea. We believe that it is no longer necessary to look forward to an unknown saviour who may come into the world at a distant future. The saviour is already here, and we simply have to look for the day when the circumstances are ripe for him to appear and begin his great mission. His mission for restoring peace, tranquillity and justice to this world, as well as to eliminate all types of sufferings of human beings.

One of the many indications for appearing of the Mehdi, is when Islam will radically decrease, which is what is happening or should I say nearly has happened. Though the name for the religion exists, as mentioned earlier, the true form of Islam is siezing to exist.
The Mehdi is no longer an idea nor a prophecy. We believe that we do not need to wait for his birth, for he already exists amd we are only waiting for the inauguration of his role. We believe thats he is a specific entity living amongst us, in his real human form and shares our hopes and disappointments and our joys and griefs. He is anxiously awaiting the moment when he will be able to extend his helping hand to everyone whom any wrong has been done and be able to eradicate injustice and opression completely.
Thus we find the concept of the living Mehdi has given a new impetus to the idea of an expected saviour, It has made it a source of effective strength and consolation to every person suffering from deprivation and injustice, a person who rejects all forms of tyranny because he feels that his leader, being a contemporary and living personality and not a future idea, shares his suffereings and feels his misery.

Yet this concept, being beyond the imagination and comprehension of a number of people, has led to them to adopt a negative attitude towards the very idea of the Mehdi. This unfortunately is exactly what has happened to you astmonster. In the Holy Quran, it says that it is against god's will to kill a "Kafir" if the kafir has not attacked you in means to harm you and kil you. A "Kafir" is a non-believer in god, so if its against god's will to kill a peaceful athiest then how do u expect the Mehdi to kill innocent people let alone believers of god albiet them be from other religions. We also believe that Jesus will follow Mehdi hand-in-hand in order to accomplish his mission. Personally I believe that the Imam Mehdi's appearance is close, and let me tell you another fact that is known, which is that the Mehdi will start by eliminating those who call themselves "Muslims", starting from all the rulers of the Middle eastern countries.I hope this helps, if u have any questions feel free to ask.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 10:58 AM
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Thank you for your time and detail.

I also believe in off planet "aliens" as the bible states in many places. They are called angels, sons-of-god, fallen angels, etc. I also understand the described "intent" of the 12th. However, the manner in which many 12'ers believe he must return is through total destruction.

I also understand that the 12th will have "christ" at HIS side. This I take great issue with. If a "christ" will be at the 12th side it will be a false christ.

Islam and the koran (sp intended) is a great lie and deception. The koran teaches that lying to non-muslim's is not only OK it is required in order to kill and defeat all jews and non-believers.

I again thank you for your detail, a well versed attempt to get the message out about the 12er. Very well scripted and written I may add. However, since it is taught that the 12th will have domain over Jesus, it is a false teaching. The true Christ will return after the false one pretends to "rapture" many ignorant christians. Sadly until muslims repent and accept Jesus as the son of the true GOD, (not just a prophet) they will also follow the 12er into the lake of fire.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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Perhaps this thread will help come to your own conclusion regarding the 12th Imam or Al-mahdi... I wrote about the specifics of the mahdi's return and what signs there were to look for on the last two pages of the thread.

Islamic Prophecy- Final Signs of Qiyaamah



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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is the 12th imam the anti-christ ?--------i dont think he is the end time military beast or the other religious beast of revelation 13 but do believe that it is the same one called the king of the south---last one that the prophet daniel speaks of daniel 11:40 would appear to have been fulfilled with bush (king of the north) taking care of saddam hussein (king of the south)and it could well be bush that carries on to fulfill verses 41-45-----if not him then his replacement who would not necessarily be an american but rather a german/european leader again------another hitler.right now it would appear that ahmadinejad is saddam husseins replacement as king of the south.if bush is going to fulfill verses 41-45 and get it done before leaving office----soon and next year leads right into the tribulation daniel 12:1there will be a time of distress such as never occured since there was a nation.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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"Islam and the koran (sp intended) is a great lie and deception. The koran teaches that lying to non-muslim's is not only OK it is required in order to kill and defeat all jews and non-believers. " - Astmonster

First of all I am not entirely sure what "sp intended" means, however I think what you mean is that "spelling inteded"? i.e. You are trying to diresepect the Holy Quran. If that is the case then this will be my final reponse to you, because as mentioned in my previous post, I will not argue with people who do not show some respect to the others.

Let me remind you that we believe the Holy Quran is exactly the same as the Bible, before it was re-written, whilst the Holy Quran has been untouched. I do not need to discuss this further as you should do your own research as I did.

Secondly do you fluently speak, read and write the Arabic language, because you certainly need to be very fluent in that language in order to read and understand the Quran. I am Arabic, thus I can fluently speak, read and write and Arabic language. I say this because either you have been reading some purposely mis-translated english version of the Quran, or you mistranslated it yourself, or even you havent read the Quran but purely based your thoughts on what you have heard.
Let me make it crystal clear to you that It DOES NOT say anywhere in the Quran that we should kill Jews and non-muslims. Living in the U.K. I have many non-muslim friends, and some are even jewish. I respect them all equally as this is what was taught by the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h). To clarify this even further, the Prophet had a Jewish neighbour who used to spit on the prophet evertime he passed him. The prophet never retaliated, and one day when his companions were accompanying him (the Prophet), they saw what the Jewish man did, one of the companions withdrew his sword, and the Prophet told him to stop at once, when the companion questioned why? the Prophet replied back and said that if he had killed that jewish man, he would have certainly been spending the rest of his after life in hell. The prohpet said that no-one should harm the man in any way whatsoever. One day when the prophet passed by his neighbour, he did not see him sitting in his usual place waiting ready to spit at the Prophet. The Prophet enquired about the man and found out that the Jewish neighbour was ill in bed, so the Prophet went to visit him to wish him well. The Jewish man was astonished to see the Prophet visting him and wishing him well.
Ask yourself this question, How can 1 man let billions of people believe in God and his religion Islam? One of the reasons how he did it because of who he was, and how he treats people like he treated his Jewish neighbour. If you think im making this up, then all you have to do is go and research about it, in the right places.

Thirdly you speak of the "False one" We believe in that as well, and that he will decieve many muslims and not just christians into believing that he is the saviour, when he is nothing but a deciever.

Finally I have studied the subject of Jesus being the son of god. After much research I strongly believe he is not, and that he is another Prophet. I will try my best to publish to you the reasons behind this and the evidence, as in Islam you must not believe anything unless you are presented with clear evidence that is 100% acceptable by the human mind, if the evidence is 99.9% acceptable, it is deemed insufficient to be considered as evidence. I apologise for not being able to explain to you why I do not believe that Jesus is God's son, as this subject is a long one and I am not sure if you live in the U.K. or not, but right now the coming couple weeks are the most important ones in terms of the 1st semister at university. So u can imagine how busy I am with courseworks dissertations and examinations.

For now all i can say to you is research before making false assumptions!



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by holy descendent

Finally I have studied the subject of Jesus being the son of god. After much research I strongly believe he is not, and that he is another Prophet. I will try my best to publish to you the reasons behind this and the evidence, as in Islam you must not believe anything unless you are presented with clear evidence that is 100% acceptable by the human mind, if the evidence is 99.9% acceptable, it is deemed insufficient to be considered as evidence. I apologise for not being able to explain to you why I do not believe that Jesus is God's son, as this subject is a long one and I am not sure if you live in the U.K. or not, but right now the coming couple weeks are the most important ones in terms of the 1st semister at university. So u can imagine how busy I am with courseworks dissertations and examinations.

For now all i can say to you is research before making false assumptions!


Thank you very much for illustrating my point so well. I wish you well in your classes and pray you do find time to research the issue of Jesus Christ the son of God. Along the way you will find "allah" is not the same as the God or Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and Moses. You will also find Mohammad was a false prophet.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 05:08 PM
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According to scripture we won't know and most will be fooled and bow down to the beast.

That's what they say anyway.

He will be loved by most of the world, that is one reason it wasn't possible for it to be GW, but anyway, it is not till the end of his seven year reign that things get wicked.

So it says.




[edit on 053131p://bSaturday2007 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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Hmmmm...so what your saying is, is that he's just as nuts as the born-again christians? Sad times. How do sickos and psychos get into power to begin with? Ermm..wel, I guess they fix elections....ahem.

J.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 10:04 PM
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Who are 'they'? 'They say'? You're talking about a 2000 year old ficticious book here? It's stupid to even entertain the thought of taking that nonsense seriously... Foolish people believing in foolish fairytales are FAR more dangerous than any nuclear warhead..

J.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 10:07 PM
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QUOTE ''Thank you very much for illustrating my point so well. I wish you well in your classes and pray you do find time to research the issue of Jesus Christ the son of God. Along the way you will find "allah" is not the same as the God or Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and Moses. You will also find Mohammad was a false prophet.''

Mohammad is no more 'false' than Jesus, Issac, Moses, Zeus, Isis or Thor. It's ALL nonsense!


J.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 06:24 AM
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The king of the south would have to be the current saudi leader or Osama since he is from Saudi.......Iran/Iraq are east of Israel, GOD can tell the directions of the compass................

This would make sense because of the filthy form of Islam that comes from that vile place.

[edit on 12/2/0707 by astmonster]



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 06:31 AM
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Perhaps you too need to study and find who Jesus was/is. Noticed you left of YHVH from your list.

www.hebrew4christians.com...

May God bless all of you in your search for him.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 06:43 AM
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No just that perhaps GW has access to "data" that is being kept from the general public. Many "born-again" christians are being mislead into the fake rapture BS. They blindly ignore the ten comandments and worship Idols, ignore the sabbath, covet thy neighbors everything, etc. Many have been asleep letting evil remove God from the classroom, and everywhere else. They "allow" abortion to murder millions, they allow gay "rights" and many promote the "gay" agenda. They "allow" murderers to go free instead of execution shown on CNN/FOX.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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G-D knows the points of the compass----------but does the term king of the north and king of the south mean that is the compass point that they presently live in?look at revelation 17/18---------G-D says babylon is a great harlot sitting on many waters and the kings of the earth commit fornication with her.G-Ds people are supposed to come out of her and the merchants of the earth make much money doing buisness with her---------and in her was found the blood of prophets and saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.G-D says that she shall be thrown down with violence .all this to be done to babylon -------a city that no longer exists in iraq and where not even 1 person lives among the ruins that saddam hussein started to rebuild but was cut off from carrying on with----------it is nowhere near any waters and the euphrates long ago shifted its course away from babylon.obviously the babylon G-D speaks of in revelation is not the babylon of iraq--------------there is one area on planet earth where the inquisitions against G-Ds saints and prophets have gone on for since rome and its image religion became the "holy"roman empire in europe---------far away from the origional babylon.



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by astmonster
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Perhaps you too need to study and find who Jesus was/is. Noticed you left of YHVH from your list.

www.hebrew4christians.com...

May God bless all of you in your search for him.


No - I don't need to do anything like that really. Thanks anyway. I've read many, many books on early Chritianity - most of them scholarly works. Perhaps I could reccomend a few for you?

Jimbo




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