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China: 'Erroneous' U.S. actions have harmed ties

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posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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China: 'Erroneous' U.S. actions have harmed ties


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BEIJING - China's last-minute cancellation of a U.S. Navy visit to Hong Kong was not the result of a misunderstanding, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said Thursday, adding that ties had been "disturbed and harmed" by Congress' honoring of the Dalai Lama and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

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posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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The latest development in the denial of the USS Kitty Hawk and its escort vessels from entering Hong Kong harbor for a planned Thanksgiving visit.

The spokesman (Liu Jianchao) now denies Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi told President Bush that the incident was a misunderstanding saying: "The report is not in line with the facts." Sounds like China is pretty aggitated with the US stance regarding the Dalai Lama.

I think China is trying to make a point and it's a bit embarrassing to the US wouldn't you say? Anyways, I'm an American consumer so back to buying Chinese products...

What do you all think? Should the US ignore the Chinese comments, stroke China's ego, stop selling arms to Taiwan, cotinue to support the Dalai Lama, and/or offer China more criticism?


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posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 01:22 AM
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no takers on china-us relations?


Seems like everytime we start to warm things up with them there's an incident. Remember that U-2 spy plane incident? The latest is the Dalai Lama and his push for more Tibetan independence. Can we really have it both ways with China? If we really want more cooperation from them in regards to Iran, should we make some sacrifices if indeed Tehran is the biggest threat?

A sticky situation I think.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 01:53 AM
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In my opinion this is China trying to take the moral high ground. They say they don't approve of America selling missiles to Taiwan, yet they're quite happy to fire missiles over and near Taiwan. Also, they were offended by America meeting the Dalai Lama, yet seem to have forgotten that they annexed Tibet. Like Russia, China is starting to flex some muscle to show that they are now a major player in world affairs. It's also about power play, the Chinese kick up a storm everytime an American farts, but then plays down their own misdameanors.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 02:31 AM
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30 years ago, no one cared about china even argue whatever tibet or taiwan issues. it seems those conflicts never exist.

but now, all these things seem to be highlighted. taiwan and tibet are two unalienable parts of China. the fact is recognized by the world majority of countries. no more meanless argues! To ask any councience historian, you can get the true story that taiwan and tibet never be independent nations before, of course no way in the future.

during cold war time, china ever was a friend of america thas is the base for the normalization of diplomatic tie between the two nations. but now, china seems to walk closer to russia. why? from my point of view, it is america that push the two countries to strenthen the coorperition for america's arrogance and aggression by sell weaponry to taiwan and some other things with purpose to jumble domestic affairs in china, for instance, Falun Gong.

[edit on 30-11-2007 by wwssii]



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 02:41 AM
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misdemeanor?

who exploded china's embassy in yoguslavia?
who flied a aircraft into china's bordery?
who sold arm equipments to one province of china?
who checked a china's container ship but find nothing related to chemical weapon?

who?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 03:20 AM
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who ran a kid over with a tank for standing his ground at a pro-democracy rally?

who shielded north korea under a defensive and diplomatic umbrella while its delusional psychopath of a leader developed nuclear weapons?

who blocks off any mention of democracy from being accessed by its citizens via the internet?

who has spent the last decade gearing up its military for a war with the United States?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 03:28 AM
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tank walk over someone, etc.. these things is cliche always..but the US embassy in china has released their material at that time and tell the truth about it. it is freely available. no more explanation.

N.korea nuke issue has solved peacefully.

now i has accessed the website preaching democracy, it is a proof enough.

china has strenthened its military power just for defence. as far as war is mentioned, i dont know the news source. nonsense.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 03:34 AM
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The North Korea nuke issue is resolved peacefully every five years or so, and within half a year that nut job decides he wants us to give him more stuff so he starts up his nuke program again and starts making wild demands and statements...

...and every time, China is right there behind them saying "Go get 'em tiger, we got yer back!"



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 03:41 AM
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Harmed ties?

This is laughable rhetoric at best.

WE are the ones that gave China its current GDP and newfound financial wealth.

You would of thought they'd make some concessions for the hand that feeds...



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:31 AM
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You would of thought they'd make some concessions for the hand that feeds


So true. Instead we are the ones who make concessions as we nudge them towards democracy.

Of course, considering 1/2 hour country has cried fowl at the last 2 elections we aren't exactly instilling them with faith in democracy



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:42 AM
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who is china to tell the pres. who and who he can't talk too? It is obvious that they were the ones imbarassed. they should be, all brutal anthoritarian dictatorships should be imbarassed.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:48 AM
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I don't like they way that every American swaggers about with a false sense of entitlement.

Just because we're America does not mean that we have veto power on the decisions of Governments in other Countries.

China is a SOVEREIGN Nation. The question, then is who the hell are WE to tell China who they can and cannot let into their country for a visit and a bit of tea.

China has a problem with Taiwan and the Dalai Lama.

America does not.

We maintain a civil, if somewhat tenuous relationship based primarily on mutual economic benefit. Also both of our countries are permanent members of the UN Security Council. That's it.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:13 AM
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Since China violated international law by denying sanctuary for ships in trouble in peacetime, it would give America something to use in return.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:22 AM
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Heres something interesting...


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. aircraft carrier group sailed through the tense waters between China and Taiwan after it was denied entry last week to a Hong Kong port, the U.S. Navy said on Thursday.

The USS Kitty Hawk and eight accompanying ships passed through the Taiwan Strait, seen as one of Asia's most dangerous flash points, on their way back to Japan after China barred the carrier group from entering the Hong Kong harbor for a long-planned visit, a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii said.

"USS Kitty Hawk carrier strike group has transited the Taiwan Strait," Navy spokesman Shane Tuck said. "This was a normal navigational transit of international waters, and the route selection was based on operational necessity, including adverse weather."

China has claimed sovereignty over Taiwan since their split in 1949 when Mao Zedong's Communists drove Chiang Kai-shek's defeated Nationalists to the island.

Tensions between the two countries have played out in the strait several times since then, most recently when China conducted military exercises there in 1995 and 1996, prompting the United States to send warships there.


When was the last time an American carrier battle group cross through the Straits? Since 96? Holy cow...China would be pissed about this, since they always claimed its theirs. A group of American military armed imperialistic arrogant superpower warships crossing through that.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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Prepare yourselves. I have a feeling that war is just around the corner.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
Seems like everytime we start to warm things up with them there's an incident. Remember that U-2 spy plane incident?


Ummm, no I don't. What are you referring to? Surely not the Gary Powers incident?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:52 AM
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You also forgot to mention china's support for iran.

And the biggest issue with china IMO - their attempt at using lead and GBH to poison America's youngest citizens by lacing toys, sleepwear, etc. with those substances.

Oh, and as to "who flied a aircraft into china's bordery?", maybe he was referring to the U.S plane that had to crash land in Hainan - after being deliberately rammed by a chinese fighter jet over international waters.


China is no friend of the U.S.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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I never thought I'd be saying this but I think it's high time we slapped some tariffs on the Chinese and let them feel the pain until they decide to straighten out their lopsided trade policy. This Thanksgiving outrage is the last straw. They are acting like a bunch of punks who think they can get away with anything.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76

Of course, considering 1/2 hour country has cried fowl at the last 2 elections we aren't exactly instilling them with faith in democracy


I'm assuming you meant half our country. Anyway, please keep in mind that china has been caught trying to influence those same elections on behalf of the democrats. There are also issues with contributions being made to democrat clinton's campain in this election with poor chinese in SF somehow contributing thousands of dollars.

And what about the chinese espionage at Los alamos, etc.?



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