"TEAM ATS" Is in Roswell, New Mexico TODAY, 11/29/2007

reply to post by Polite American

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We're not "doing" Roswell.

Springer...

Springer

I can't tell you how much it warms my heart to see the ATS staff getting involved in the fight for Truth on such a personal level!

The approach of getting the "big players" such as Cliff Stone personally involved with ATS is absolutely the right one, and I can't wait to see these initiatives continue! I would love to see this approach extended to other big names in Exopolitics, the Disclosure Project, groups like CSETI and ECETI etc....

reply to post by Polite American

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Dear Polite American,

While you may be an American, I have not seen much politeness in your posts. Your 'signature' is a quote from a movie...would you consider thinking outside the box just a little? Not every Democrat is a Communist, or a terrorist. Not every Republican is a Communist or a terrorist. Not every person who disagrees with you is a Coummunist or a terrorist.

It gets very dangerous when we assign labels...

Far out, MrdDstrbr... the day that TDP, CSETI and ECETI ever have anything credibile to offer, they'll SELL it for their own benefit. As it is, they sell what they have now, even though it's a load of bunk.

Please, don't drag these names into this thread and pollute the great work that Springer and Crakeur did looking through actual government documents. ACTUAL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS, not false promises and pictures of moths.

We're sick and tired of the illusions and delusions that comes from the organisations in your quote.

Er...

Cliff Stone is providing ATS with access to thousands of government documents. And he's a Disclosure Project witness, tezzajw.

This looks like a cooperative effort with the Disclosure Project, no matter how you slice it.



And there are other big names involved in Exopolitics that aren't necessarily part of Greer Inc. Salla, Webre, Kucinich, Symington etc..... all those people would be excellent to approach as well.

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ATS should just take over the disclosure project, rather than let it get ran into the ground by a bunch of total NUTJOBS. Yeah, that's right...I said they were NUTJOBS and anyone who doesn't agree with me...well, maybe your part of the problem

I'm willing to bet that if ATS took over the disclosure project, it would see more progress in 6 months than it has seen since it's misconstrued inception.

The best thing they can do though is get those papers away from Clifford and get down to real business. Although ATS is looking to eventually, in a round about way, make a profit off things like this as does the real nutball crowd, they won't drag it out or ruin it with foolishness I don't mind someone profiting from their research as long as there is real, verifiable research that comes to testable conclusions by independent folks. Meaning, everything gets published.

admin edit:removed childish namecalling

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[edit on 12-2-2007 by Springer]

DELETED. Disgusted.

Adieu.

[edit on 12/1/2007 by PrplHrt]

Ok, can you answer this one yes or no question for now...

Is it the smoking gun?

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts



ITF, I'm not sure if this was a sarcastic post, the point of which I missed, but if it wasn't I disagree with your assessment of Clifford Stone.

I have known Clifford for 20 years, stayed with him and his family in his house and attended many UFO conferecnes with him.

He is honest, compassionate about his beliefs and loyal. He is a patriot.

He has been through a lot, more than you will ever know.

I know, however, what Clifford Stone has done.

Thanks for your post as much as I disagree with its contents.

If it was a sarcastic post, the sarcasm of which I missed, please accept my apologies.

I would wager that we (the public) already have a smoking gun... maybe several in fact.

For example, the Wilbert Smith memo from 1951, is a memo released from the Canadian Archives that unequivocally states that flying saucers exist.

209.132.68.98...

But half of this planet will never be convinced, even if the proverbial "aliens land on the White House lawn" happens. Most people just don't think rationally.

Dear weedwhacker...wow....where did that come from? I apologize if I offended youbut I don't even remember conversing with you on any thread.
just the same thanks for your...suggestion... advise?

reply to post by johnlear

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You're a class act John Lear.
You and Zorgon don't get the credit you deserve.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

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One thing I can assure you is that Clifford Stone has done more actual WORK than anyone else I know in this "field".

The facts are, he has the REAL DOCUMENTS, a complete chain of evidence that will stand up in court, and his beliefs are IRRELEVANT to our task.

So when I want to find out what, if anything, is being covered up, who would I want to talk with, "IgnoretheFacts", who as far as I can tell doesn't do much more than ridicule posters on the internet who enjoy discussing "far out" topics, or Clifford Stone who has spent YEARS doing the work that needs to be done in spite of being lied to by many officials?

I'll give you one guess...

It would serve you well to ease up on the name calling ITF, you couldn't be more wrong IMHO. Having spent the better part of two days with Clifford, he certainly did not strike me as anything other than an intelligent, lucid and a VERY sane person.

We did not discuss his belief system because it wasn't germane to our investigation, but I've heard about his belief system and I am pretty sure that's why you think he's less than sane.

Well, I can tell you that to an Atheist, a Christian, a Jew or any other religious person appears "insane", they believe in something there is NO EVIDENCE of beyond the writings of a group of men thousands of years ago. What they believe in is much more fantastic, IMHO, than the possibility of intelligent alien life. At least we know life does exist in the universe and it is possible to travel space.

Whether or not we are ALL insane doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is THE DATA, we have it and we're going to present it to the MSM and see if they'll take the ball and run with it.

Personalities and belief systems don't enter into what we are going to present because the ONLY "testimony" we are relying on is the documentation of the United States Government.

Springer...

reply to post by Springer

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Is the gun smoking?

Thank YOU Springer!
I've never lost faith in ATS and never will because everything that you represent including what you are saying in your above post makes absolute sense to those of us here in this forum who dare to present information that's a little in the 'over the top' category. Thank you for having the courage to evaluate such information and the courage also to present it to the media!

It's great that ATS is reviewing over Clifford Stone's material! He's the genuine article... no doubt about it! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Sgt. Stone has always come across as a very sincere individual to me. I believe he has seen and experienced things that most people could not comprehend. Kudos to him for having the bravery to step forward and try to open our eyes to the amazing things that are occuring in our world / universe. The man has ventured down into the rabbit hole and beyond.

reply to post by Grey Basket

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If you are asking me if there is a document that states "We have captured and alien" or anything that obvious the answer is no. The smoking gun is there all right, but you have to connect the dots from several sources, which we have done.

I would call it proof of a coverup with ZERO DOUBT. I mean that, ZERO DOUBT.

Springer...

A coverup in of itself would be nothing out of the ordinary. A coverup of something that can be proven non-terrestrial with ZERO DOUBT is what I am wondering. Otherwise, why the excitement?

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Agreed w/ GB, I'm not asking for the photographic evidence of one of said 57 varieties, just some proof that they exist; Springer, is this what you're implying?

Also, the FOIA act files haven't speculated to much as per 'aliens' -- can you give a hint as anything like that being press-released?

I was reading the Salla and Stone interview. He goes into depth about the 57 in that one. Says some military head has a binder that has about a thousand pages describing *them* w/ photos/drawings and writeups -- should you have something from this binder or doc proof of existence, well, ATS, imho, then, leads in the media field of news.

[edit on 2-12-2007 by anhinga]

You will find nothing.
Good luck though.