Teacher charged over "Muhammed" The Teddy Bear! *Craziness to tha max*

I know this is already a major thread over with are slightly more serious cousins at ATS, but the poor woman has now been charged... with...

Insulting Religion.

Inciting hatred.

Showing contempt for religious beliefs

Read the full story here!

Mrs Gibbons could face 40 lashes, six months jail time or a fine.

I'm thinking this is a lot of flag waving and posturing. She'll get a fine and be booted out of the country, like she would want to stay, and it just adds to the crap that can be brought up every now and again to remind us heathens and infadels how completely immoral and religiously slack we are! Like those crappy cartoons.

I feel for this woman. I teach English in Hong Kong. I love my job, it's great fun and very rewarding work, but to try and do it while walking on egg shells, would for me!! Be nearly impossible and therefore quite pointless!

Communication is the key to overcoming our differences, and a world language would make this closer to being possible.

Can this ever happen?

Will the religious nutters from whatever sector ever just give over?

Will common sence ever prevail?

MonKey

Islam is a religion of peace though.

So how can this happen?

I am shocked! It is Islam law to give lashings with a whip to a woman?

*plays dumb*

Not surprised. When a car hits you in Saudi, and you a foreigner, the blame is on you because the accident wouldn't have happened if you weren't there. It's your fault.

This is just recent : The woman who was gang raped was blamed for her ordeal because she didn't have a male escort with her when she visited a male friend. The male friend and his friends took the advantage and raped her. It was her fault why she was raped.

Overseas male worker will be in danger of being raped because they didn't wear a beard. Its their fault as well.

It really makes you red in the face, but that how it is there.



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Reconsidered. Seeing that this is BTS and the other (2) thread(s) are on ATS we can keep it going - as long as the focus is the religious issues.

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Cheers Gemwolf, Mightily sporting of you.

Finaly some common sence being showen in the community.

But in Britain, the Islamic Human Rights Commission was among Muslim groups to call for her immediate release.

and... I like this one.

a spokesman for the Muslim youth organisation, the Ramadhan Foundation, said "this matter is not worthy of arrest or detention and her continued detention will not help repair the misconceptions about Islam."

Misconcepotions. What misconception I really don't know what you're talking about old chap?

Full article

The Lady in Question has a good lawer and the backing of her country. I'm hoping this is all sorted before Christmas.

MonKey

Well this has taken a nasty turn for the worst.

Those lovely peaceful muslims have been chanting "Kill her, kill her by firing squad"

Now yes I know that this is not all Muslims, but come on people - over a teddy bear!!

Latest report from the BBC

This is just crazy. No it's pathetic.

Might be time for the RAF to put the Typhoon to work!!

MonKey

Wow... And it was the children who named the teddy bear? (O_o)

We have Christians on this side of the ocean who would ask for the death penalty if Jesus' name was 'soiled'...

We have Muslims on the other side of the ocean who would ask for the death penalty if Muhammad's name was 'soiled'...

The religions are absolutely fine - it is the ones running it that are out of touch with their own religions if you ask me.

This is really what we need as a world:

Christians---->

Originally posted by TrueAce
We have Christians on this side of the ocean who would ask for the death penalty if Jesus' name was 'soiled'...

Actually it can't be. Doesn't need a religious crowd to protect it either. He stands on his own.

Satan's kids have to war and fight over their doctrines, and false prophets.

The truth stands alone, all by himself and won't be touched. We could even call him a time line.


They probably would though considering in that sense they for the most part simply have a religion to defend too. You'd see the same spirit fighting over a football game, war or whatever. Has nothing to do with the truth, just a "group" to side with and fight over.

reply to post by WiseSheep


nice job there ad hom-ing the whole of islam and every other religion by calling them satan's kids

very despicable, just goes to show you exactly how nice the world will be when all these arrogant religions go the way all the other arrogant religions that preceded them went.

your religion stands on the same ground of pure faith as their religions do... learn to respect that you're all equally likely to be wrong.



anyway, i'm happy the woman was acquitted

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


A group of Islamists chanting death to a teacher by firing squad that permitted the kids naming a tedddy bear Muhammed.

Gee who cares about the teddy bears name- ahem they need to get over themselves just a bit. A religion shouldn't be demanding someones death for a tiny matter such as this.

Good news the President of Sudan showed more class then this mob did by pardoning her.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
nice job there ad hom-ing the whole of islam and every other religion by calling them satan's kids

Isn't just Islam. If one subscribes to "bible" or "christianity" and isn't born again, they too are still just as much satan's child as hitler or the pope. GOD isn't a respecter of persons.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
very despicable, just goes to show you exactly how nice the world will be when all these arrogant religions go the way all the other arrogant religions that preceded them went.

Religion is not to blame. Man is.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
anyway, i'm happy the woman was acquitted

Yes that is indeed good news.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Isn't just Islam. If one subscribes to "bible" or "christianity" and isn't born again, they too are still just as much satan's child as hitler or the pope. GOD isn't a respecter of persons.

then you're even more a threat to the world than i thought

get it through your head

YOUR
RELIGION
IS
JUST
AS
UNFOUNDED
AS
THEIR
RELIGIONS
ARE

Religion is not to blame. Man is.

exactly, man is to blame for creating religion.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
then you're even more a threat to the world than i thought

Yes a threat for planting a word that has the power to transform lives and save ones from the power and bondage of sin in this life and burning forever in the next. What a threat that is.

The world hates him, so why shouldn't they also hate his kids?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
get it through your head

YOUR
RELIGION
IS
JUST
AS
UNFOUNDED
AS
THEIR
RELIGIONS
ARE

Oh boy, good luck trying. I behold the glorious work of my father's hands daily, hourly and minutely. Good luck disproving that.

See even you are the work of his hands. You think it's your proud self who has rejected him. Actually it's the other way around. He's rejected you and given you up.

Even though that's the truth. If you were to at some point repent and turn to him, he still wouldn't cast you out. That's love beyond your comprehension and mine too for sure.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Religion is not to blame. Man is.

exactly, man is to blame for creating religion.

Well at least we can agree on somethin.

reply to post by WiseSheep


IMHO... I agree. (^_-)
His teachings (TRUE teachings) speaks for itself. If Jesus needed to defend himself, he wouldn't have allowed himself to be crucified... And I mean that in all reverence and in defense of the teachings of Christ BTW - the ultimate act of forgiveness, compassion, and understanding is to turn the other cheek...

If it sounded like I was singling out Christians (or Muslims even), I apologize... my only intent was to show that some things are blown out of proportions by an overzealous minority. In my heart of hearts, I know most Christians (along with what I believe to be most Muslims) have either found their faith or are still on the path of accepting it.

And now, to quote the minority (to show what a false faith will lead one to)...

Originally said to my mother after she shared her views on a peaceful world:
Well... it's just that my wife and I and Christians... We're not into that whole 'Love' thing...

Trust me, I was as surprised as you.

Like I said above, I know this is the minority. I just wanted to show that the times we live in call for compassion, understanding, and forgiveness - regardless of what religion or name we worship under.

It is fine (mighty fine!) to say that one is a Christian, just make certain that it is the actual teachings of Christ one is practicing rather than a diluted form propagated by a 'teacher' with an agenda to push.

WiseSheep:
-----------------
Hmm... interesting...
Perhaps I should have read a bit deeper before replying to your post, eh?

In my most humble of opinions, Christ was an EXAMPLE to follow rather than 'the only begotten son of God' - as that would isolate him from the rest of humanity, which would rather defeat the purpose of his coming.

He was here to show us that all can walk the path of Love, that through his example ANYONE can and should accept the will of Our Father and align our own minds with the Mind of God (a perspective entirely of Love).

War is caused by man and the illusions of separation from Him.
There is no anti-god, nor has there ever been, nor will there ever be.
To say otherwise would be saying God is something other than Unconditional Love, or would be saying that God is something other than Omnipotent...

If you believe something different, I withdraw neither my support of you nor the Love my Creator gives me for you. I believe that holding anything less than the Love of God in a man's heart will destroy himself, rather than those around him...

Of course, that is just my perspective. (^_-)


madnessinmysoul:
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I understand all too well your angst at the organized religions of this world. The lies propagated under the hateful eye of arrogant men too afraid to believe in a Higher Ideal have caused countless wars and committed innumerable crimes against their fellow men...

But religion plays its role in this world, as all things do.

To stray a little from the serious, have you seen that Southpark episode where the Atheists are claiming religion causes war, only to go into the future to see that different factions of Atheists are warring against each other?

Matt Stone and Trey Parker - it seems they sure got the goods on humanity's illusions! I am very glad they can expose them with a healing and healthy humor - as it makes the pills much easier to swallow IMHO.

Rather than religion causing wars, I believe the primary factor is intolerance... and I believe you would be quick to agree that intolerance is creation of man, rather than a creation of religion...

By accepting those who wear the banner of religion, you pave the way for a new path to be trodden by the world!

Acceptance breeds tolerance! And I think we could all use a little more of that in this world, eh?

Oh well, guess this thread is taking a turn from Teddy Bear Mo to Jesus.

Originally posted by TrueAce
In my most humble of opinions, Christ was an EXAMPLE to follow rather than 'the only begotten son of God' - as that would isolate him from the rest of humanity, which would rather defeat the purpose of his coming.

Your opinion is based on what? See the muslims are in the same boat here. They believe in a character named Jesus too, yet not HIM.

Does an example, or good and wise teacher make statements such as; "Unless you believe I AM, you will die in your sins." In other words go to hell.

Or other claims such as; "Before Abraham was I AM."

Or such a statement as; "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, AND I will raise him up at the last day."

Originally posted by TrueAce
He was here to show us that all can walk the path of Love, that through his example ANYONE can and should accept the will of Our Father and align our own minds with the Mind of God (a perspective entirely of Love).

This kind of love?

Luke 19:26-27
26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

I do agree with you in the walking the path of Love bit, however the understanding of love may be a bit skewed.

reply to post by WiseSheep


Very interesting... are you playing devil's advocate (no pun intended)?
It seems to me that you are saying Christ was less than a perfect example of Love... am I interpreting your words correctly? I've been under the impression you were a Christian - have I been mistaken?

My opinion comes from experience and intuition:
In order to take a religion and apply it to a real life that will serve the needs of the world and oneself, it must be interpreted. The Bible, as I interpret it, cannot be an account of actual events in many cases - though I would be the first to say I am honestly unknowing in that regard (I was not around during those times). Perhaps bushes did burn (and talk), seas did part, and so and and so forth... but it has no application to the life I am living now unless I take it that God is limitless and unbound, and is only constrained to the faith and beliefs of the individual.

Originally posted by WiseSheep:
Does an example, or good and wise teacher make statements such as; "Unless you believe I AM, you will die in your sins." In other words go to hell.

Again, this statement is up to massive interpretation.

During my time here (as Agent Smith would say), I have noticed the recurrence of God being called 'I AM I AM' - 'Yahweh' (from my understanding, this is God of Israel translated into Hebrew - and to even further elaborate, Israel, if my memory serves me, was just another name for the land where those of God could come together in peace) - or just 'I AM' (as in this case).

Love (whichis God, Yahweh, I AM, etc, etc) is the source of all life and all existence. One can argue that - but one only need look at the structure of actuality to see the truth. Our own cells work together (LOVE) to support the greater self (our body). This can be seen repeated throughout all of life... and in fact, the only thing out of sync with this principle seems to be humanity.

Furthermore, if Love is the lifeforce energy and fabric of existence, it is the fuel and thus WATER of life itself. To only drink the WATER is to accept Love as the only source of nourishment in existence. One can deny the WATER, believing they are imbibing other liquids, but they are just illusions - in reality one is drinking nothing, as there is only WATER or illusion.

It is known that Christ did not speak Greek (into which the Bible was translated into, again, if my memory serves me), rather he spoke Aramaic.
en.wikipedia.org... (I originally learned it elsewhere, this was just conveniently here for me to use)
It can easily be said that his words have been heavily twisted around - as there is no language on earth that is similar to Aramaic in today's current time - and if you remember the story correctly, it was the Roman Empire that killed him and then turned him into a religion... highly suspect to questioning the basis of WHY they did such a thing, if you ask me...

What he says is as follows (to mine ears):
"Unless you have faith in Love (drink only WATER), you will be torn asunder by the demons of your own creation (or you will slowly die as you become more and more dehydrated).

As for Luke 29:27, (before the massive mistranslation of Aramaic-to-Greek) he is speaking on behalf of Love, saying all who do not accept that there is only Love (WATER) will die by their own choice because they have cut themselves off from the Source of life (die of dehydration).

It is of my opinion that Christ never said to bring forth 'his enemies' and 'slay them.' That is the very anti-thesis of Love. Furthermore, if he did indeed say that, why did he ALLOW himself to be crucified? He could have easily called his capturers 'his enemies' and his followers would have 'slain them' by his own command.

Wow, out of space!
I hope that explains my perspective adequately for you. (^_^)

Originally posted by TrueAce
It seems to me that you are saying Christ was less than a perfect example of Love... am I interpreting your words correctly? I've been under the impression you were a Christian - have I been mistaken?

Well I'm his, whatever that's worth to you. Not in anyway attempting to elevate myself higher than the dirt that I am, but for some reason he chose to reveal himself in me.

Actually it was more of an attempt on my part to point out the less than perfect example of love the world claims in light of his.

As a result of his perfect love, those who will not have him rule over them will be cast into a lake of fire.

This world has a twisted notion of love that one doesn't exactly see until he reveals it, if he choses that is.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Well I'm his, whatever that's worth to you. Not in anyway attempting to elevate myself higher than the dirt that I am, but for some reason he chose to reveal himself in me.

Ah, but is not dirt equal with all of God's creations? (^_-)

In fact, dirt is in many ways the equivalent of mother earth - a holy substance of Love which gives the gift of housing, the basis for life to spring forth. From it's varied construct, the seeds of plants are able to sprout their roots and gain a good, solid footing in which to shoot their stalks into the sky and absorb the Light of the Father, allowing them to continue their growth and service to the All That Is.

Even the tallest trees are no higher than dirt, as it is from whence they came and from which they most assuredly will return to.

Ever hear the saying that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link?
Life itself is only as high as the foundations it was built upon.

Or so I see it as.

Originally posted by TrueAce
Ah, but is not dirt equal with all of God's creations? (^_-)

No. Dirt is the corruptible so is the unregenerate spirit which is a child of satan by default. The regenerated spirit is the incorruptible. All of the new creation is a gift and work of GOD. No man can infiltrate it or duplicate it, since it's a supernatural work done on the inside of a man, which a man cannot do. Only the one who created him.

Tis an ingenious protection feature to keep satan and his kids out of the kingdom of GOD and also blind to the existence of the One and Only True and Living GOD and his things. One can rub it in his face all day long and there's nothing he can do about it.

Satan has made plenty of counterfeits that look quite dandy until they bear fruit. Both the counterfeit regenerate and the unregenerate will be burned in the end. If they remain that way until the end.


All men are called to repent and turn to Jesus Christ. Without HIM in you, there is no salvation or life.