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posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 08:13 PM
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Nevertheless, I make sure to warn a "blind by choice" person once, and depending from the feedback and willingness... I make sure not to bother with them anymore if they are all "beers"...


Yeah, I keep trying to tell myself the same thing, I guess I'm just stubborn




posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Alright since for some reason I'm being attacked personally.
Religion is not a buffet or a Casino where it's members can pick and choose what they like or dont like. RW himself has done such a thing where he did not
like some-things about his previous religion and made his own church. If this prophecy fails (which it will) then it's members meaning ya'll will be left without a church & religion and it's time to hit the buffets yet again...I mean who cares eh? Rev 3:16 "So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth"



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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I think I'm going to just respond to fellow brethren and use my typing wisely. I'd rather be answering great questions, and helping to keep everyone caught up, then wasting my time arguing with the people God hasn't drawn. And if one day they start asking logical questions, then maybe we can have some more back and forth.

I just pray that one day they will open the books and SEE the TRUTH of GOD, not the rubbish we've been decieved about prior.

God Bless all the brethren, we keep each other strong in God.



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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Hey there discipleelohim

Mrs. gnipp gnopp and the 2 kids are on Maple everyday! I call them by their screen names if I want to get there attention.


Here's a few sites that I found free bibles depending on your needs

online use
www.blueletterbible.org...

for the usb drive (no install needed)
bibledatabase.org...

for install
www.e-sword.net...

I use the pocketpc version (haven't tried pc version yet)

Now off to doctorex's sites (THANK YOU!!) then to bed gotta get up early. Plants closing so they offer lots of OT, go figure.


-Night

P.S. Godcalls,
Laura wouldn't dare keep you from gettin dunked! Tell her I said so! (as long as Ron's cool with it)



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Hey Firestorm,

It's not that anyone is attacking you, but more want to help you see the truth of God. We all can talk to you until we are blue in the face and you will still not "get" what we're all trying to get across to you and to the others who think RW is false.

I suggest you download the following free books. These clearly explain the truths we (the Brethren on this site) all see in unity:

  • The Prophesied End-Time
  • 2008 - God's Final Witness
  • Mystery of the Ages
  • The United States and Britain in Prophecy

    The verse you just displayed is also explained, but not by the interpretation you are suggesting.

    Honestly, everything said toward you and others are just brethren who want to share their knowledge of truth. Even though we all know that many will not see it as we do.

    God be with you Firestorm.

    [edit on 13-2-2008 by discipleelohim]



  • posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:17 PM
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    The Two Witnesses of Rev 11:3,4 are not two literal persons, but symbolic or representational of something. The Book of Revelation is highly symbolic and much of what is written in it cannot be taken literally.

    The man, Ronald Weinland, is not one of the two witnesses described in the Bible. This is not because I say so,but because the Bible says so.

    According to the Bible, the Two Witnesses had to prophesy in sackcloth (in mourning). The Two Witnesses together would be killed at later broght back to life. Mr. Weinland is still alive. (Revelation 11:3-13)

    This Two Witnessess and their role is bigger than what Mr. Weinland has come to understand. To fully understand and identify who these Two Witnesses are, it is necessary to "first" understand the symbolism of The Book of Revelation and then apply it tot he Two Witnesses. It is also necessary to call upon God' Holy Spirit for an understanding; without doing this, it will be impossible (yes) impossible to understand the Book of Revelation.

    From the outset the Apostle John at Revelation 1:1 tells us that the Book of Revelation is a revelation by Jesus Christ that God (Jesus' God) gave him to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented the Revelation in signs (symbols) through him to his slave John.

    Like many, Mr. Weinland has not come to understand these symbols.

    Interesting, when we carefully study Revelation 11:7 we are told that "And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them."

    The identity of this Wild Beast that ascends out of the abyss is significant in understanding who the Two Witnesses are.

    This Wild Beast is not a literal creature as it is mentioned at Revelation 13:1. No literal "beast" on earth comes out of the literal sea that has 7 heads, 10 horns and 10 crowns. Additionally, no literal beast would be given Satans authority and throne as mentioned at Revelation 13:2. Common sense should tell us then that this beast is representative of something. It is also very powerful (since its source of power and authority is from Satan). Also, since "authority" and "throne" are mentioned, this beast must be something political.

    This beast of Revelation 13:1 ascends out of the sea. The word "sea" is a symbol (in this context) of peoples. (see Isa 57:20). That this beast has horns is symbolic of kings or kingdoms (See Daniel 7:17).

    Thus, this beast is an existing world power (6 of the heads of this beast are gone, and only one head remains today).

    This beast is said to have put the Two Witnesses to death. In what way?

    Since we are told at Revelation 11:3,4 that these Two Witnesses "must" prophesy in sackcloth judgment messages to the world (including the existing World Power), their message was not well received by this beast political beast as it revealed it to be evil and not doing God's will. The world during this time of "witnessing" was enthralled in WW1 and war fervor and patriotism ran high. Anyone speaking against it was viewed as unpatriotic. Yet, theses Two Witnesses were under command by God to prophesy; on their own, they would not stop. So this beast used the laws of the land and the court system to shut these Two Witnesses up (not literally kill them). To kill the message by having them throne into their prisons. The beast (the existign world power) rejoiced because it thought it had silenced their message of judgment.

    Yet, after three-and-one-half years, God brought them back to live again. The legal system within this world power later viewed their imprisonment as illegal and they were released. They stood on their feet and resumed the prophesying of judgment against this world. The beast (existing world power) became very afraid because they saw a movement that they thought they had killed, become resurrected. It was not by the beasts authority and power that they came to life again, but by God's power. No wonder the beast became afraid. This was the second woe.

    These Two Witnesses today still continue to prophesy the message of judgment against world. They are not two literal men but an organization. This organization is a target hated intensely by the political wild beast today. Why? Because these two witnesses refuse to bow down to the its will. They would rather obey God as ruler rather than men (Acts 5:29). These two Witnesses know where this wild beast gets its authority and power as mentioned at Revelation 13:2 and will not worship it or its symbols which come in the form of flags (idols) and national anthems. This beast wants your allegiance. It wants you to worship the source of its power and throne. It is not by chance that every nation on earth has a flag (idol) and national anthem. Anyone paying homage to these are giving worship to the beast at 13:1. This marks you. This identify that you give your allegiance to the beast. Most salutes today are rendered with the right hand to the forehead.(Rev 13:16). (Remember the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel Chapter 3).

    So, who specially is this Wild Beast and the Two Witnesses that it killed and God brought back to life?

    The remaining part of this Wild Beast exists only has a remant today. Six world powers (heads) have come and gone (Rev 17:9,10) and only one head (7th head, the last and only human world power there will ever be) has two horns (Revelation 13:11-13). So, only one world power exists today and it is represented by the 7th head. This 7th head has two horns (consisting of two powerful nations). These two nations appear to be Christian as indicated by their having horns "like a lamb". But their authority and agenda is from Satan since this beast is said to "speak as a dragon."

    I hate to burst anyones bubble but the only two nations today that fit this profile is the United States/Great Britan dual world powers. They are the Wild Beast that ascended out of the abyss. They are the 7th and last head on the beast of revelation. They are the Beast that came from the earth at Revelation 13:11. They are the false prophet of Revelation 16:13 and they are the World Power (United States half) that legally squelched the prophesying of the Two Witnesses.

    Now, who are the Two Witnesses? They are the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Mr. Weinland well knows this). They were the only organization that stood in defiance against this beast (whose authority and throne came from Satan) and who choose to obey God in prophesying. The Beast did not like this. The United States government harrassed this organization,took their literature, and threw their leaders into jail on trumped up charges for three-and-one-half years or 1260 days. The prophesing work stopped. After the 1260 days of imprisonment, they were released from prison and they resumed prohesying even stronger.

    Out of all organizations on the face of the earth today, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the most feared (and threatened by) by this Wild Beast.

    Later, in Revelation 20:7-10 we see where Satan himself (at this period of time all nations have been destroyed) will go after these holy ones on earth. The same people who refused to worship is wild beast.

    So Mr. Weinland is way off target and I respectfully say that he does not see the big picture nor does he understand this important aspect of the Bible. He is not one of those Two Witnesses.

    Rather is one of many false prophets (perhaps unwittingly). Jesus at Mark 13:32 says: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

    Even Jesus himself does not know the day or hour. What makes Mr. Weinland think he is more "in-the-know" than Jesus? We are told in this scripture only the Father knows.







    [edit on 13-2-2008 by Ndoki53]



    posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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    Thanks fellas, I will bookmark them. I have my own little "quick reference" of verses so when I want to find something quick I can just crack open the notes in my Bible. My human brain just can't remember them all. lol

    I corrupted my kids at a very young age with video games... I wish I never had to say the least. Plus I collected them for years. I have over 50k of them and now I see how much of a waste it was to horde such a thing. Same with movies. Man was never meant to have mass quantities of things. When I was younger and only owned 10 movies, I always knew which ones I wanted to watch when there was nothing on TV. When I had 500 DVD movies, it would take me two hours to pick a movie leaving me very indecisive. oooof! to say the least. lol

    I can't wait until this greedy world in which I've partaken in is moved to the next level. -Amen

    Take care everyone.

    [edit on 13-2-2008 by discipleelohim]



    posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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    God be with you Firestorm.


    Thanks! No hard feelings.
    It was just getting a bit rowdy in here...



    posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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    Well, I thought I was done posting tonight, but I was gravely mistaken.

    Wow!

    Ok, I'm good now.

    Good night everyone



    posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 09:41 PM
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    No problem. It's tough when you have conviction. But we are glad you joined the party my friend.

    Hope you stay in our journey. It's going to be a good one!



    posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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    Sorry Ndoki, but the two witnesses are clearly people, and not organisations.

    3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
    10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
    11 And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
    12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

    These verses say that the witnesses are killed at the END of their testimony. You seem to think this killing and the end of this testimony was your leaders being put in jail, but people are still knocking on my door offering me the watchtower magazine etc, so their "testimony" has not yet ended, so it doesn't fit. Also the scriptures say their testimony lasts 1260 days, not their deaths or what you refer to as imprisionments. They are killed at the end of the 1260 days, not imprisoned for this time, so once again it doesn't fit, since what you describe is their power being taken away for this period of time, which is quite the opposite of what the scriptures describe, and this killing is to takes place in Jerusalem. Also you seem to think that Ron Weinland cannot be one of the witnesses because he has yet to be killed and brought back to life, but once again, this happens at the END of their testimony.


    Even Jesus himself does not know the day or hour. What makes Mr. Weinland think he is more "in-the-know" than Jesus? We are told in this scripture only the Father knows.


    When Jesus said that he didn't know, but since it is Jesus who opens the seals of revelation I am sure you can see that even he will know. Also you are forgetting a couple of scriptures...

    Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

    1THESSALONIANS 5
    1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
    2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

    God bless

    [edit on 13/2/08 by doctorex]



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 07:19 AM
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    Good Morning everyone!

    I just wanted to respond to yesterdays post that I wasn't able to.
    I love you 2 DE, have a lovely day, see you tonight!


    We are going to have a couple over tonight that we met in Winnipeg, I'm so excited. I can't wait to see their view and their opinion and to see where they are at in their journey.

    Take care everyone and have a Blessed day!



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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    I have a sincere question, without any motivation. I know, at least for me, it is important to look at the "Foundation" of any teaching that doctrine is built upon. That foundation of course being Jesus Christ. My question is, does Mr. Weinland teach-believe that Jesus Christ was God incarnate? If not, then what does he teach regarding Jesus in relation to God?

    I appreciate your answer.



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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    Originally posted by doctorex
    Actually your premise is false. As I said above, it is a father/child relationship. If a father says "don't play with fire", the child ignores him, plays with fire, and then gets burnt, does this make the father an evil bastard?

    God bless.


    You are reducing the Creator down to a mere Father Figure and demeaning what it is to be a Supreme Being.

    God is not a "FATHER". God is a CREATOR BEING. If one is to assume that every iota of creation's grande majesty is within the swaying whims of a DIVINE ENTITY, you cannot equate it to a "FATHER".

    A Father cannot CHOOSE how to design his children, a Father cannot Divinely design a soul, a personality, and a spirit to put into the vessel of the body. A FATHER cannot do that. A DIVINE BEING can.

    A DIVINE BEING orders the universe, and order is defined by the whims of the SUPREME ENTITY. Answerable to no-one, not even the laws that It, itself, designs... the laws are constructs, and are as easy to change as a lightbulb for a Supreme Being.

    That none of you here who claim religion understand the import or implications of what TOTAL POWER OVER CREATION implies is a great disservice to understanding as a whole.

    God is either all loving (As even Evil is contained within the codified structure and indeed EMBODIED by God), It is a irreverant bastard (Who has set up a system where souls HE has divinely created and guided and shaped through creation are punished for being made exactly how God wills it), or it is a Figment.

    These are the only three possibilities, when one considers what it means to be a SUPREME BEING.

    Either that, or God is NOT all powerful, which would then beg the question of what other Gods are there.

    I choose to believe in an All Loving God. You can have your punishment, your NEED to believe that sin corrupts, degrades, and disbars the soul from God's VERY CONDITIONAL LOVE (In such a case). You may believe the rhetoric, Dogma, Doctrine that all evil is hated by God... that God cannot bear to witness a part of its OWN MANIFEST FORM (As God is EVERYTHING).

    I shall love, without condition.



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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    Originally posted by TheColdDragon

    You are reducing the Creator down to a mere Father Figure and demeaning what it is to be a Supreme Being.

    God is not a "FATHER". God is a CREATOR BEING. If one is to assume that every iota of creation's grande majesty is within the swaying whims of a DIVINE ENTITY, you cannot equate it to a "FATHER".


    You're not serious are you?

    Matt 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
    Matt 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
    Matt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
    23:9 And call no man your father (members of churches such as the catholic) upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

    ... I am sure you may receive many more references from others with scripture that clearly displays God is our Father.

    Just trying to help you see the truth my friend.

    May God our Father bless you on this day.



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 09:39 AM
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    Jd, being that I didn't join this thread as early as you did, I've have the luxury of having all your previous post fairly fresh in my memory. You've always been motivated in posting here.

    While you maybe politely asking, my 'spidey sense is tingling'. I've been wrong before, but because of your past conduct, we'll have to check the sincerity of your curiosity. You'll have to dig for your answer.

    The answer to your question is in '2008, God's Final Witness' on starting on page 210. Read for at least 10 pages and report back to us.

    I know, at least for me, it is important to look at the motivation for a sincere question. I hope my spidey sense is just a false alarm. Let us know what you find.

    Hey this will be totally on topic!


    -Later



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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    Thanks for the lead! I downloaded the book about a month ago, hopefully I can see what Mr. Weinland has to say in regard to my question.

    I appreciate it!



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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    I have read the pages you instructed me to read. I was somewhat disappointed that Mr. Weinland didn't make reference to pertinent scriptures.

    Here is a great comparison everyone might check out:

    www.jesus-is-lord.com...



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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    Thanks for the site JD. I'm sure some here will find it interesting. Nice how it does a side by side comparison.

    Sorry that Ron didn't get into as much detail as you wanted. There are a lot of subjects he's trying to address in a short space. For a far more in depth study of the question I refer you to:

    www.cog-pkg.org...

    Near the bottom is 2005 - Feast of Tabernacles. The MP3's under that heading cover the topic extensively.


    -Later



    posted on Feb, 14 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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    Yes, I am serious. The bible uses the term "Father" and I am well aware that scripturally speaking, God is referred to as, "Father".

    Suffice it to say, I believe in a Divine and All Loving Creator Being. If that isn't your Biblical, "Father", so be it. I am a follower of Christ, and of the message Christ gave concerning Love without boundaries, penalties, or hatred.

    I am not a subscriber to the Wrathful, Vengeful God of the Old Testament.

    My belief is that Hell is imagined or purposely fabricated by liars. That divine judgement (Full of Wroth and Fury) is directly in opposition to the teachings of Christ.

    Should I be wrong, then may I burn eternally for my error. I'd rather burn eternally than suffer a God of Conditional Acceptance and Piety.

    Piety is not the message, it is the Error that Man brings to the Message.



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