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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 03:38 AM by pepsi78
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The only crime here is G.W. Bush being bombarded with endless useless congressional non-binding resolutions, congressional inquires/investigations,
they are looking for something that is not there. G.W. Bush is not a criminal and it's time this nonsense stopped. 
George Bush broke the Geneva convention., he profits from the war , he has his share , everythime he starts a war he just makes money off of it, what
else..ohh yes, his grandfather was a natzi, his grand grand father was also a natzi, like family like father like son..it run runs in the family, he
broke the rules by taping the phone lines, he lied about the WMD,no such thing found, alot more people died in IRAQ under his call than under saddam,
I can practicly go all day long talking about GB
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 03:46 AM by BitRaiser
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Ya know...
The funny thing about this is that way back when, I predicted that Bush would likely be impeached, but only towards the end of his second term. That
way, no matter who comes into office, they'll seem like a hero.
It's the perfect sideshow spectacle to distract the masses from the fact that it's all the same damned thing, that both parties serve the same
masters... the all mighty dollar and those who have the most.
I feel kinda bad for Bush. He's first amongst slaves, a powerless puppet, and the world's most convenient punching bag all for the wishes of Private
Interests.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 06:06 AM by stompk
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November 13, 2007 - Impeachment
A total of 64% of American voters say that President George W. Bush has abused his powers as president. Of the 64%, 14% (9% of all voters) say the
abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment, 33% (21% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses, but he should
not be impeached, and 53% (34% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses and Mr. Bush should be impeached and removed
from office.
Well, if the people still have any say, he should be impeached, and Cheney with him.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 07:33 AM by gottago
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Amen, MTABP.
And whoever would have thought a bunch of lawyers would be the ones to have the spine? Good on them, I say.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 07:47 AM by JadePhoenix
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clinton is so last week
As long as Clinton is alive he will never be last week.
Like Bush/Cheney want to catch their greatest asset, the perfect fall guy for their master's assault on our Constitution, eh?
Right, I bet you think Bush and Cheney have tea with UBL in the oval office each and every Friday huh?
Oh, you must be talking about the Bush/Cheney Afghani, Iraqi, Pakistani, debacles, right?
Not sure how you think these are debacles
Not to mention, their upcoming "greatest hit," the nukin' of the Iranian "threat."
Throughout the 1930s, Churchill's warnings against appeasement had grown more persistent and less effective. As the heads of Parliament veered
away from traditional British military preparedness, appeasement policy became the new focus of the leading politicians. Churchill realized it was
time that Britain look at its defenses, but Chamberlain, firmly convinced that there was not going to be a war, had no need for armed forces.
The appeasers, led by Chamberlain, seemed totally unaware that Hitler's plans, blueprinted in Mien Kampf, were now emerging in frightening reality.
The appeasers sat idle in their ignorant hope that Hitler would eventually stop. What they did not understand was that Hitler's aim was world
domination, and that standing idle and watching would not help stop him. Churchill was basically alone in his stand against appeasement.
"One pound was demanded at the pistol's point. When it was given, two pounds were demanded at the pistol's point. Finally, the dictator consented
to take one pound, 17 shillings and sixpence, and the rest in promises of good will for the future."
Churchill made this remark while speaking to the House after the Munich Agreement had been signed and Germany was allowed to take the Sudetenland from
Czechoslovakia. For Churchill, this was the last straw. He understood that Hitler pushed Chamberlain around in the conference and the land given to
Hitler from Czechoslovakia could have easily remained Nazi free with a little allied support.
Hitler's aggressive and unchecked actions led Churchill to say, "There can never be absolute certainty that there will be a fight if one side is
determined that it will give way completely.[I] always held the view that the maintenance of peace depends upon the accumulation of deterrents against
the aggressor"
Chamberlain's relentless drive for peace in Europe made him weak. Instead of keeping Hitler in line, he basically gave him anything he wanted, even
offering colonies in Africa (although Hitler refused to take them) in order to keep "standing" peace in Europe. Instead of creating peace,
appeasement encouraged war: if Hitler was never challenged in his aggression, why would he stop aggressing?
It all fell down on Chamberlain's head when Hitler's true side shown through as he had, in Churchill's words, "broken every tie of good faith with
the British and French who tried so hard to believe in him." It was now 1939 and Hitler had given the leaders of Czechoslovakia an ultimatum: Either
surrender your country or it will be destroyed.
The leaders of Czechoslovakia capitulated and Hitler's power in Central Europe grew much greater with this new landmass. This action marked the end
of the appeasement movement in England. It was all flipped around as Churchill became more and more popular and Chamberlain's popularity fell.
Finally in 1940, the prime minister gave in and finally, after six years of warning from Churchill, began war preparations. Churchill was appointed
First Lord of the Admiralty. Here he gained tremendous popularity and his words strengthened the nerves of the British people. On May 10, Neville
Chamberlain resigned and advised the king to call upon Churchill. Winston Churchill had become the Prime Minister of England.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 08:03 AM by JadePhoenix
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It's precisely the crimes committed by NeoCon "Christian Radicals," Bush/Cheney, that drive "Islamic Radicals" to want to kill them.
Nope the Koran tells them to kill the infidels.
George Bush broke the Geneva convention., he profits from the war , he has his share , everythime he starts a war he just makes money off of it, what
else..ohh yes, his grandfather was a natzi, his grand grand father was also a natzi, like family like father like son..it run runs in the family, he
broke the rules by taping the phone lines, he lied about the WMD,no such thing found, alot more people died in IRAQ under his call than under saddam,
I can practicly go all day long talking about GB
Wow wasn't good ole Joe Kennedy a Nazi supporter, same with Henry Ford and some others I can not remember off the top of my head at this very
moment.
Here is something some of you people should read www.cnn.com...
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 08:45 AM by Malynn
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I was going to reply to your obvious party-line humping with point-by-point rebuttals but then you said this:
It's not that the dems are going after Bush because of Clinton it is the fact he has out smarted them at every turn.
If you honestly believe that it is clear to me that you are beyond reason.
Why is it the Republicans are incapable of getting over Clinton? Whenever someone points out the obvious illegal activity of this administration (the
Bush Administration) all we receive in response is "quit trying to get even for Clinton."
Are you SERIOUS?!? Throwing the specter of a president impeached for lying about a blow job in our faces is in no way going to confuse
anyone into forgetting about all the crimes committed by BushCO so conveniently bullet-pointed in the NLG document. You think if you talk in
circles we'll get dizzy and fall down? You may be victim to that kind of confusion but many of us aren't.
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So, one of you finally admits that this is more about getting even for what was done to clinton than anything else. Thanks for your honesty.
How about you admit that its the Republicans who are incapable of getting over Clinton? I mean, I know it must have hurt when you couldn't get him
removed from office but dude, at least you got your day in court.
Refusing to discuss the issues and instead trying to confuse people with your rhetoric is disingenuous. If you're willing to turn a blind-eye to all
the crimes committed against you, give up your freedoms and curl-up on your couch with American Idol you don't deserve to be an American.
Also, your argument about what impeachment would "do to America" is completely irrelevant. What impeachment would do to America pales in
comparison to what BushCo is doing to this country right now.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 08:48 AM by Malynn
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Nope the Koran tells them to kill the infidels.
No, it doesn't. You've obviously never read the Koran. It is also disingenuous to try and discuss American foreign policy with regard to the
Middle East without taking into account the history of our country's actions in the Middle East.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:11 AM by JadePhoenix
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No, it doesn't. You've obviously never read the Koran. It is also disingenuous to try and discuss American foreign policy with regard to the Middle
East without taking into account the history of our country's actions in the Middle East.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution
and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should
die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or
victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they
have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does
not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall
rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the
unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,
even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their
abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be
killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the
disbelievers....
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:12 AM by JadePhoenix
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As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He
will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by
grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your
captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them
to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage
the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:18 AM by centurion1211
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After reading the two posts below yours by jadephoenix, it appears that it is you that has never read the koran. So, why post like you know
something about it?
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:18 AM by JadePhoenix
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It is also disingenuous to try and discuss American foreign policy with regard to the Middle East without taking into account the history of our
country's actions in the Middle East.
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their
hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal" (3:118). "Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror
into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51).
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:31 AM by centurion1211
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Did you mean "perjury" when you wrote "purgory"? Yes, clinton was impeached for committing perjury - lying to a grand jury (and all the rest of
us).
Now who needs to be educated? 
And I like the previous poster's answer to the ridiculous "nobody died under clinton" assertion. The answer to that is that clinton lacked the
cojones to do anything (or they were in use by monica at the time), so he left the dying by Americans to mostly happen during the next
administration by refusing to take care of bin laden when he had the chance. That of course doesn't include the Americans that died inthe first
World Trade Center bombing, or the USS Cole bombing, or the embassy bombings - all during the clinton administrations.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:38 AM by JadePhoenix
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"nobody died under clinton" assertion. The answer to that is that clinton lacked the cojones to do anything (or they were in use by monica at the
time), so he left the dying by Americans to mostly happen during the next administration by refusing to take care of bin laden when he had the chance.
That of course doesn't include the Americans that died inthe first World Trade Center bombing, or the USS Cole bombing, or the embassy bombings - all
during the clinton administrations.
Very well put. I was going to bring that out soon
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:41 AM by Griff
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Excuse the frack out of me for mispelling. The intent was still correct.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:43 AM by Griff
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Yes, let's bring out everything Clinton has done to deflect off of Bush. 
Let's try and keep this discussion to Bush and quit deflecting to previous admins please.
Did I spell anything wrong centurion?
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 09:58 AM by JadePhoenix
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I'm sorry am I not following the bash Bush thread, I'm just offering the other side of the argument, but then again Libs don't want to hear the
other side. I could always take about Jimmy Carter, now that was a true joke of an administration.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 10:05 AM by Griff
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Why is it always Libs vs. Conservs with you guys? Jeesh. I already said I'm neither. So, your argument about the Libs doesn't phase me. Try
again. And let's stay on topic please. Which is Bush/Cheney and NOT Clinton. Thanks.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 10:22 AM by JadePhoenix
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I thought I was talking about G.W. Bush? I'm just defending him not condemming him.
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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 10:24 AM by arcnaver
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Originally posted by Zeta115
I never mentioned Clinton and Clinton is not my agenda.
My agenda is justice. Justice for a people who have been
wronged by their leaders. This has nothing to do with Clinton 
It is about right and wrong 
Your wrong, it has everything to do with Clinton and the lefts love affair with that criminal family and wanting Socialism. Clinton has more to do
with the way this country is right now then Bush. What you are seeing, is a direct result of Clintons Brothel Term in the White House.
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