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Are the 'Greys' etc evil? Good?

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posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 07:30 AM
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Just a quick question I suppose while its on my mind.

The debate over the existence of aliens, more specifically the traditional 'Greys' aside, are these aliens supposed to be evil or what?

It's something thats puzzled me for quite a while because while many people refer to them most seem to report having really bad experiences with these aliens.

Again, I don't want this to turn into a debate over their existence (I'm fence-sitting on that matter), I just want to know what people think.

Thanks all!




posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 07:40 AM
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This is a question you really have to do your own research/investigate on your own. The only group I've heard of that seems to be universally good, is the Pleiadians... Other than that there are a plethora of theories, about nearly every other type of ET's. The more research you do, you will probably come to your own hypotheses on which ET groups are good, and which are bad.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by Raoul Duke]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 07:49 AM
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Neither is there just "greys" nor just "aliens".

Most of the greys in particular are very controlled just like we are.
There are also big and small greys, the big greys ruling the smaller ones.
But even those are long time not at the top of the pyramide.

They are doing their job, fitting their purpose.

But I'm sure there are also free greys or a kind of resistance against the big elite.

But it also depends on your defintion of good and evil, i see evil as beings that desire total control above others.
So if you're being forced to do things what are you?


[edit on 27-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

[edit on 27-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:13 AM
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If the cases of people claiming to be abducted turn out to be true, then I would say evil evil evil.. If a someone were to come into your house while your sleeping and immobilize you, kidnap you, and then drug you so you forget sexual experiments they made on you, would you call them good or evil? They may claim to be helping, but kind of person would help like that? Add that with claims of hybrids....

Now way is that help.

Further more if you look at from a bible standpoint can see what's happening....(if you don't like the bible don't read pass here)

Genesis 6:4-8 (New International Version) Just before the Flood..

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.


Matthew 24:37 (New International Version)

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by ebe51

If the cases of people claiming to be abducted turn out to be true, then I would say evil evil evil.. If a someone were to come into your house while your sleeping and immobilize you, kidnap you, and then drug you so you forget sexual experiments they made on you, would you call them good or evil? They may claim to be helping, but kind of person would help like that? Add that with claims of hybrids....


You should read Jim Spark's book. He is an abductee with excellent recall of his abductions, and he believes the ET's have a benevolent higher purpose behind the abductions...



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke

Originally posted by ebe51

If the cases of people claiming to be abducted turn out to be true, then I would say evil evil evil.. If a someone were to come into your house while your sleeping and immobilize you, kidnap you, and then drug you so you forget sexual experiments they made on you, would you call them good or evil? They may claim to be helping, but kind of person would help like that? Add that with claims of hybrids....


You should read Jim Spark's book. He is an abductee with excellent recall of his abductions, and he believes the ET's have a benevolent higher purpose behind the abductions...


I disagree with you aswell as with Jim.

The greys that abduct are NOT BENEVOLENT.

Abducting means, you've been taken your freedom.

They are forcing you to do things, that's not good at all.

The good aliens will "contact" you, meaning they will ask you, whether you want or not.

Now Jim Spark says the humans are lead into a room inside the alien spheres, where they are shown pictures how they are destroying their own world.
Which is bogus in my opinion if you look at the bigger world picture.

They are manipulating people.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:34 AM
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i started a thread some what like this a whle back and i included a few vids that address this same subject its 6 vids. take it for what its worth to you im not 100% sure its all true, but it may shed some light for you. although the film makers are a little more "extreme" than i consider myself they are well put together films and worth the watch.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

hope they help. or at least give you something else to think about on the subject.


[edit on 15amu82007 by DaleGribble]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 08:37 AM
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Jim wasn't he the one getting punished with pain until he gave in, at which time the aliens changed the tune and were like.."yea, yea, were good...hum...sure were here to help".



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker


I disagree with you aswell as with Jim.

The greys that abduct are NOT BENEVOLENT.

Abducting means, you've been taken your freedom.

They are forcing you to do things, that's not good at all.

The good aliens will "contact" you, meaning they will ask you, whether you want or not.

Now Jim Spark says the humans are lead into a room inside the alien spheres, where they are shown pictures how they are destroying their own world.
Which is bogus in my opinion if you look at the bigger world picture.

They are manipulating people.


I'm amazed you can be so certain. If the greys aren't alive (in the sense we are) they could be working on behalf of anybody or anything. It's impressive what you know about their agenda, I'm much more humble about what we humans know about the greys and their motivations. It's all speculation, until we have better evidence of something...

p.s. I brought up Jim Sparks, b/c I feel he probably knows as much as anyone does, even though his source is the greys (who could tell him anything to manipulate him); but he's got to have an intuition about what's happening to him too...



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:43 AM
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So you think it's stockholm syndrome?



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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I wanted to do something really bad to you, it would make sense for me to portray myself as a good guy and on your side. It makes you a lot more complacent.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
reply to post by ebe51
 


So you think it's stockholm syndrome?



In a nutshell yea.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by ebe51


In a nutshell yea.


It's an interesting theory, maybe I'm naive, but I'd think Jim Sparks would be able to pick up on their deception (at least a little) if they have an ulterior motive...



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:00 AM
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I think I also give the greys a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, because I feel they are probably very rational, and not in touch with their feelings; and don't have very good social skills, ha ha... So they are of course going to scare the hell out of us, the knee jerk reaction IMHO is to think they are real live boogeymen...



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:06 AM
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Hitler trick a whole nation, and also from Jim's story he never provided a motive for the sexual type stuff, if I remember right he only said they're here to help the environment.
I'm not buying that, I don't see how sperm and eggs can help the environment, or for that matter why give people information on the environment they can't remember



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:21 AM
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I think they are harvesting our genetic material. The knee jerk reaction on this is to be scared as hell too; but once again if you think deeper, how do we know this is bad for us? Maybe it helps us and it helps them?



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
I think they are harvesting our genetic material. The knee jerk reaction on this is to be scared as hell too; but once again if you think deeper, how do we know this is bad for us? Maybe it helps us and it helps them?


Well, first you look back at my bible believes on that, which is my main believe. However putting the bible aside. How is taking this stuff helping, and what help do we need. A doctor just doesn't start doing surgery without letting you know why you need it. If they are nice enough to help, they should be nice enough tell why and what help they giving you. There motives are completely hidden, that not the acts of a friend, but is the action of a foe. Not to mention I don't think there has been any record metical befits for an abductees. Yet, there seems to be many of them seeing shrinks. We see metical problems no befits. So where's the help?


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posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke

Originally posted by Paul the seeker


I disagree with you aswell as with Jim.

The greys that abduct are NOT BENEVOLENT.

Abducting means, you've been taken your freedom.

They are forcing you to do things, that's not good at all.

The good aliens will "contact" you, meaning they will ask you, whether you want or not.

Now Jim Spark says the humans are lead into a room inside the alien spheres, where they are shown pictures how they are destroying their own world.
Which is bogus in my opinion if you look at the bigger world picture.

They are manipulating people.


I'm amazed you can be so certain. If the greys aren't alive (in the sense we are) they could be working on behalf of anybody or anything. It's impressive what you know about their agenda, I'm much more humble about what we humans know about the greys and their motivations. It's all speculation, until we have better evidence of something...

p.s. I brought up Jim Sparks, b/c I feel he probably knows as much as anyone does, even though his source is the greys (who could tell him anything to manipulate him); but he's got to have an intuition about what's happening to him too...


Look.

I have studied so many reports and interviews all concering the stuff going around.

I'm doing this every day multiple hours and that for the last 2 years.

Spark has been ABDUCTED several times.

He believes the greys is a benevolt species that wants to help us, that is bogus, if i compare it with aalll the other sources i got there.
Now i haven't been abducted myself that i know of, but with a certainty I can tell you that they are liars, they are forcing people to do things and punishing if they don't just like in Sparks case, and last they are manipulating people like i believe they did with Spark. Now he tells and i truely believe what he said, that the abducted people are shown on kinda monitors how earth is being poluted by our own industrialization. But that isn't the true reason apparently. Leading us in this Green Peace mind state away from the NWO? I don't know but i know that the thought that all our problems are caused by our abusage of fossile fuil etc. is not the direct cause of our problems.
A grey diversion? I don't know! maybe?!

Anyways
Where is the goodness in forcing people to obey their abduction or else punishment?

Answer me the question if you like.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

[edit on 27-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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Are Humans Good or Evil?

That's the real question!

What is good and what is Evil? Is George Bush Evil? Is he Good?

Depends on who you ask, although most would agree he's evil according to the polls


Probably the same with any other intelligent species I would assume.
Humans abduct certain species of animals and do tests on them, does that make us Evil? We start uneccessary wars with false intentions? Does that make humans Evil?

I think the real question might be are the aliens gonna mess with us humans! Well, it seems like they mess with some of us, but to come to any definitive conclusion on thier intentions is based on pure speculation. Although if anything abducted me and scared the sh**t out of me, I'd say it was probably evil!

But are scientists evil for doing test on animals that injure them but is good for humanity? Ethics is different for everyone, and since we don't have all the answers, who knows??

For any human who claims to be in touch with greys and says they have been given the 'real' answer to thier intentions, I wonder if the word of an individual of another intelligent species is just as good as any humans word? If so, it must be taken with a grain of salt!

So I guess my answer would be, I don't know! We may never know. If you forced me to speculate, I'd say they are probably not angles nor demons, probably a bit of both. Although to be so technalogically advanced they must be doing something right!! I don't see us humans advancing that far on our current path, with out making ourselves extinct!

Almost forgot, generalizing conclusively on the ethics of any intelligent species is usually gonna be inaccurate, I think. It's easier for our tiny minds if we generalize and put everythin in it's own basket, but I think the truth is usually a lot more complicated.

However, I would be willing to say, "Any species, that goes around and abducts people with no greater good in mind and purely for selfish purposes is evil", but that remains to be seen.



[edit on 27-11-2007 by rocketsauce]



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker


Look.

I have studied so many reports and interviews all concering the stuff going around.

I'm doing this every day multiple hours and that for the last 2 years.


You can only study the information we have at hand. We need more information to speak of their agenda with any certainty.


Spark has been ABDUCTED several times.


Quite a bit more than this, he's been abducted for 10+ years.


He believes the greys is a benevolt species that wants to help us, that is bogus, if i compare it with aalll the other sources i got there.


What about Lisette Larkins? Also John Mack talks about abductees that think the greys are doing good in his research.


Now i haven't been abducted myself that i know of, but with a certainty I can tell you that they are liars, they are forcing people to do things and punishing if they don't just like in Sparks case, and last they are manipulating people like i believe they did with Spark. Now he tells and i truely believe what he said, that the abducted people are shown on kinda monitors how earth is being poluted by our own industrialization. But that isn't the true reason apparently. Leading us in this Green Peace mind state away from the NWO? I don't know but i know that the thought that all our problems are caused by our abusage of fossile fuil etc. is not the direct cause of our problems.
A grey diversion? I don't know! maybe?!


I just believe this is your opinion. Thank you for it, I'll give it consideration.


Anyways
Where is the goodness in forcing people to obey their abduction or else punishment?


They may not think about things like compassion and treating others nicely as we do.



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