Did John Connally kill JFK?

OK, this is really wild.

Pause the following video at 00:18 or 224 in the black square.

Google video of JFK assassination.

John Connally is in the frame, sitting directly in front of President Kennedy.

If you step forward as slow as possible, you will see Connally's hand come up to the left of his head. At the same time, Kennedy grabs his throat.

Then Connally's left hand slips something into his right interior coat pocket, and he turns to the right as if to look back at Kennedy.

Then, Mrs Kennedy looks at Connally for a second before she attends to JFK.

Then it looks like something in Kennedy's neck explodes, and Mrs. Kennedy climbs onto the back of the car and her left hand grabs a round object off the trunk, and she sits back down inside the car.

John Bowden Connally, one of eight children, was born at Floresville, Texas, on 27th February, 1917. After obtaining a law degree from the University of Texas he joined the staff of Lyndon B. Johnson as legislative assistant.
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A member of the Democratic Party, Connally continued to help run the political campaigns of Lyndon B. Johnson. In 1948 he was accused of being involved in a voting scandal when 200 votes for Johnson arrived late from Jim Wells County. It was these votes that gave Johnson an eighty-seven-vote victory.

Connally became a member of what became known as the Suite 8F Group. The name comes from the room in the Lamar Hotel in Houston where they held their meetings. Members of the group included Lyndon B. Johnson, George Brown and Herman Brown (Brown & Root), Jesse H. Jones (multi-millionaire investor in a large number of organizations and chairman of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation), Gus Wortham (American General Insurance Company), Robert Kerr (Kerr-McGee Oil Industries), James Slither Abercrombie (Cameron Iron Works), William Hobby (Governor of Texas), Richard Russell (chairman of the Committee of Manufactures, Committee on Armed Forces and Committee of Appropriations) and Albert Thomas (chairman of the House Appropriations Committee). Alvin Wirtz and Edward Clark, were also members of the Suite 8F Group.

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I think Connally shot some sort of device into Kennedy neck that exploded, and then Mrs Kennedy grabbed the piece of shrapnel on the back of the car.



[edit on 27-11-2007 by stompk]

Or he had already been shot once, the limo driver turned to investigate / apply pressure to the wound, then another shot hit and "exploded".

There was one more big Texas connection with the Navy who succeeded Connally in Washington. Fred Korth, also of Fort Worth, like Connally, took Connally's job as Secretary of the Navy under Kennedy, who then prepared to dump him because, as Seth Kantor wrote, was taking advantage of his job to "further some of his Fort Worth banking investments." Korth showed favoritism to the Continetal National Bank of Fort Worth, which he had been president of until his appointment as Navy Secretary by Kennedy in 1961.

The Contintel National Bank was one of twenty banks that loaned $200 million to F. Worth's General Dynamics to start building the TFX fighter plane. The TFX became one of the biggest boondoggles and scandals in American history and threatened the entire Kennedy adminstration, as did so much else which emanated out of Texas from Bobby Baker and Howard Hughes, to Lyndon Johnson.

When the scandal got out of control, Korth was asked to resign by Robert McNamara, a man much hated then and for many years after for his later role in the Viet Nam War. The request for his resignation came just six weeks before Kennedy was assassinated. Korth had helped award the TFX contract to General Dynamics instead of Seattle's Boeing, which lost out. Boeing had it's friends...

In 1961, Korth was on the board of directors of Bell Aerospace, formerly Bell Helicopters, where Michael Paine worked...

And...

Billy Byars, Clint Murchinson, Sid Richardson and HL Hunt, along with many others, frequented the Top Of The Hill Terrance, a gambling club owned and run by Benny Binion. The club was managed by top mobster Lewis McWillie from 1948 to 1958.

McWillie was close to Jack Ruby and Ruby visitied him often in Cuba after he left Dallas and went to work for the Lanskys.

Jack Ruby helped Harry Hall take big bets from the oil men on sporting events, and (would) even fleece them from time to time.

I remembered something about the "gnomes of Zurich"

I have heard on the Kennedy assassination relates to a speech JFK made shortly before his demise, in which he said he was going to expose "the gnomes of Zurich". The "gnomes of Zurich" is a euphemism for the ultra-secretive and powerful Illuminatae, a group of very very rich and powerful businessmen. They are supposed to have incredible control of the World Bank and the IMF (International Monetary Fund). They are strongly linked with the Masons (not all Masons, you understand, but with the highest levels of that organization). The theory is that the Illuminatae had Kennedy killed before he could expose them or otherwise harm their mission, whatever that may be.

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Oh it's amazing.

But how about Ask a John Lear

i'm wondering how the 'gnomes of Zurich' got Connally to be their puppet?


But if Connally was In on the hit, (very questionable...)
then this video of the Secret Service bodyguards being ordered
to 'Stand Down' as 'shields' for the President & his party,
would allow someone in the limo to not be seen commiting the deed.

see: www.brasschecktv.com...

And for the Mason connection.

Drum role please!

Presiding Officer Smith called for Executive Director Timothy Braaten and Mr. Frank Woodall to present the Recognition Award for Texas Department of Public Safety Chief (Retired) Glen McLaughlin. Mr. Woodall gave a history of Chief McLaughlin, who began his career with the Department of Public Safety as a chemist in 1939. Chief McLaughlin worked tirelessly to establish and recognize training and education standards for professional law enforcement in Texas. He was instrumental in the establishment of the Commission by the 59th Texas Legislature in 1965 with his good friend, Senator Jack Hightower. Chief McLaughlin was appointed by Governor John Connally as one of its first Commissioners

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And Jack Hightowers illustrious career includes

1944-1946
U.S. Navy
1949
Received Bachelor of Arts degree, Baylor University
1951
Received Bachelor of Laws degree, Baylor University
1951
Began practice of law in Vernon, Texas
1953-1954
Member, Texas House of Representatives
1955-1961
District Attorney, Forth-sixth Texas Judicial District, Vernon, Texas
1965-1974
Member, Texas Senate
1972
Grand Master, Masons of Texas
1975-1985
Member, U. S. House of Representatives, Texas 13th Congressional District
1985-1987
First Assistant Attorney General of Texas
1988-1995
Justice, Supreme Court of Texas
1992
LL.M., University of Virginia
1999-2005
Commissioner, National Commission on Libraries and Information Science. Appointed by President William J. Clinton
2001-2006
􀂃 Chairman of the Board, Scottish Rite Hospital of Texas in Dallas
􀂃 Chairman of the Board, Scottish Rite Education Association of Texas
􀂃 Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the Scottish Rite of Free Masonry of Texas

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Exactly, and if you watch closely, it appear as if JFK and Connally have some sort of exchange shortly after that.

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Or one could just stay on topic and post relevant information in the thread

From the Warren Commission Report

According to the Commission's "single-bullet"
theory, the missile that wounded the Governor had first
transited the President's neck. Following this transit,
it entered the Governor's back, making a 1.5 centimeter
hole before shattering his fifth rib and blowing out an
exit hole 5 centimeters wide. The bullet continued on
to smash Connally's forearm and wrist, splintering the
radius bone at its largest point and leaving along its
path a trail of bone and metal fragments. This bullet
finally embedded itself in the Governor's thigh,
leaving behind two small fragments before falling out
on the stretcher.

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And after Gov Connally's rib is shattered, forearm and wrist is smashed, he puts something in his interior coat pocket and turns his body to 90 degrees?



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Deep Throat, Suite 8F and the CIA

Another possibility is that the Georgetown Crowd had joined forces with the Suite 8F Group. Had LBJ brought these two groups together. They were both groups who cared a great deal about military spending. The Suite 8F Group was also concerned about the Texas oil industry. This included getting federal contracts from the Secretary of the Navy. Take a look at the three people who held this post in JFK and LBJ’s administration: John Connally (January, 1961 – December, 1961), Fred Korth (December, 1961 to November, 1963) and Paul Nitze (November, 1963 to June, 1967). The first two were members of Suite 8F and Nitze was a member of the Georgetown crowd.

The other thing that Suite 8F cared about was the Oil Depletion Allowance. Dillon, as Secretary of the Treasury was in a good position to block that move. Dillon was eventually replaced by Henry Hammill Fowler in 1965. He was someone who was at Yale with Bissell. He also worked as assistant general counsel of War Production Board in Germany during the war. He was also a member of the National Security Council. I have yet to discover if Fowler was a member of Bissell’s group but it seems likely and could be further evidence of how the Suite 8F Group and the CIA worked together during the 1960s.

Were the CIA therefore involved in covering up the role that Suite 8F Group had played in the assassination? Or were they protecting their own? Or were they doing both of these things?

Yale, CIA -> Bush dynasty? Smells like Texas Oil and Masonic hands in the illuminati agenda to me.

Check out Kennedy's face in the frame z283 from the Zapruder film



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It looks like his face is getting ready to explode before he is shot. See how Jackie is looking at Gov Connally?

No one sees the possibility in this theory? I thought it was pretty good.

Well, first of all that was kind of disturbing to watch, and second, I thought it looked like he got sniped...don't know.

Or perhaps it looked like he put some small bomb in his mouth and then died, making it look like a suicide?

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Governor Connally is the only one who hasn't been scrutinized. He would have had the power to put it in place. He could have had a device in his hand that shot the President in the neck.

If you look at the face of the President, it is obvious his face has some sort of problem right before he is shot.

And Mrs. Kennedy would have had to been in on it.

Stompk, this thread is just silly. You need a job or something. You have too much time on your hands.

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I own my own electrical contracting business, which is doing just fine, thanks.


Your kidding, you can't see him do it. When I saw it, it was so obvious to me. Then I found all the dirt on Connally, and how he's tied to Johnson.

Give me a break, you didn't even try.

As theories go.... Anything is possible

I don't however believe Connally slipped a 'grenade' type device into Kennedy's head... even Criss Angel would have a hard time doing that trick.

An explosive device would endanger not only his self but the others in the vehicle as well. You could claim 'collateral damage' but killing yourself in the process dictates suicide.

Shooting the Pres, seems more plausible. ( in the event that everyone in the car, all the SS men, and most of the on-lookers in Dealey Plaza that day... were in on it)

Questions :

Supposing..
If the Gov did in fact shoot Kennedy, there would be a 'smoke plume' from the bullet discharging from a weapon. With the Z film being scrutinized so much sense the day it happened, surely someone would have noticed a trace of smoke in the vicinity of the Gov during the deed.

My theory will always be multiple gun man in multiple locations, Government funded of course.

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It would have been either an air powered dart, or a remote controlled injector device in his tie. The latter would have been difficult to place, unless he has a clip on tie.

Probably some sort of a two part chemical injection, when mixed expands. Would have been easy to control by the amount.

Remember, Connally "produced" the magic bullet.

Why would the sniper wait so long to take the shot?

What is it that Mrs Kennedy grabs off the back of the car?

One big problem is: if the first bullet went through JFK, where did it go afterward?
This is a difficult problem only because we do not have sufficient evidence. We do not know exactly what it hit. If it came out underneath JFK's tie knot, which seems to be the case, the knot could have deflected it—most likely in a downward direction. But I don't see how it could have made a right turn and then zig-zagged back to the left to exit the middle of his chest.
JFK's neck and JBC's armpit never line up properly. As I see it, the bullet should have gone over JBC's left shoulder. If JBC had turned slightly to his right, it might have gone just over the top of the jump seat to the left of his left shoulder. In that case, it could have entered his left thigh. That is an interesting possibility because it would explain the differences between the thigh and wrist wounds. Dr. Gregory, who had seen many gunshot wounds in his military service, said that the wrist wound had to have been made by an already deformed bullet because of the irregular entry marks and the fact that cloth had been drawn into the wrist wound. He said the thigh wound was very different and was round and regular:

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It was odd that shortly after she was standing next to Johnson

on the plane, swearing him into office.

[edit on 28-11-2007 by stompk]

OMG,

connely was shot and almost killed in the assasination.
YOUR POINTING THE FINGER AT THE WRONG PERSON, Johnson is the one everyone sould be looking at. It was a coup carried out with the help of the mob. possibly have been done by the soviets, with the help of the mob, in retaliation for making them look like fools in the cuban missle crisis.

Wow I gotta say this is ranking right up there with window washing explosive experts.