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Technology breakthrough harnesses energy from the molecular structure of water




Topic started on 10-12-2002 @ 07:58 AM by Kronos


"BOISE, ID - Dec. 5, 2002 - Genesis World Energy, a privately funded consortium created by a group of military and space program research and development specialists, today unveiled a scientific breakthrough that allows consumers to easily access the energy contained within the hydrogen and oxygen molecular structure of ordinary water. This scientific breakthrough provides a limitless, low cost and environmentally clean source of energy that can be implemented with minimal cost and effort. The viability of using water as an energy source, previously a theoretical concept, is now a reality. "Water has always been the source of life on this planet, now it will also transform the way we create energy." said Charles Shaw, corporate counsel and spokesperson for Genesis World Energy. "The implications for worldwide energy generation and consumption are nothing less than staggering." (...)

Genesis World Energy



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 10:51 AM by TheBandit795


That is an excellent find, Kronos!!!

I'm gonna check out that website.



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 10:54 AM by TheBandit795


But it seems like it violates the first law of thermodynamics...



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 12:20 PM by Bout Time


Iceland is already preparing for the day when
petroleum production ceases and the planet needs
an alternative power source. The tiny island is
switching to hydrogen, the most plentiful element
in the universe.

www.theglobeandmail.com...



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 05:19 PM by NinjaoftheNight


I think that they have been working on something similar to this for a few years now thats called the fuel cell. By using water and hydrogen atoms they are somehow able to create a reaction and harness the power through converters to create electricity. They optimum life of a fuel cell is a few hundred years.



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 07:18 PM by Kronos



Originally posted by TheBandit795
But it seems like it violates the first law of thermodynamics...

Yes, but only if will treat that process as a closed system. Probably water is only a kind of transponder and energy is coming to the system from somewhere (ëzero pointí, vacuum etc.). And probably the whole living organisms are able to use similar processes as many cells violate that low silently.

For example there is no good explanation for ë'Breatharianism - Living on Lightí. Light - I donít think so ñ probably on water.

The trick with power from water is based on the resonance electrolyze of standard water without any additives ñ electrolytes. Only instead of alternate current reactor is powered by DC generator (appr 10 ñ 100 kHz, make/brake 1:10) ñ water quickly and silently changes his state, no bubbles.

That story begins with Stephen Chambers and his 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or Parahydrogen' (US Patent 6126794). Suppressed. Next attempt was made by Stanley Meyer with 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961. His company is trying to commercialize patent ñ Xogen.

Xogen press releases (PDF!):

www.tathacus.ca...
and www.tathacus.ca..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> www.tathacus.ca...

More sites with water/hydrogen technology:

www.blacklightpower.com...
www.geet.com...



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 07:59 PM by TheBandit795


Ahh... yes... The gCell an eCell are not closed systems.

P.s: I thought Stanley Meyer was dead...



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reply posted on 10-12-2002 @ 08:54 PM by ilovepizza


I know this is a little of topic, but since everything around use is energy, and since it is proved that we can harnes that energy as you said with water. Than that means humans can channel that energy in themselves to use pshycic abilities.



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reply posted on 11-12-2002 @ 07:22 AM by TheBandit795


Yeah, pizza...

I have done that quite some times...



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reply posted on 26-12-2002 @ 06:50 PM by Kronos





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reply posted on 27-12-2002 @ 01:20 PM by TheBandit795


I already asked a politician in my country to check it out...



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reply posted on 28-12-2002 @ 08:18 AM by FreeMason


No this must be impossible, or they are not telling where the other energy is.

The Hydrogen-Oxygen bonds can only be broken with a certain amount of energy. Either they are hoaxing, or more likely, they are not telling the viewer where the rest of the energy for breaking the bonds is coming from.

You can't just flip a switch and make a hydrogen/oxygen bond an anti bond, not yet, so they must be getting that extra energy from somewhere no?

I mean they say the gCell breaks the bonds in 3 steps using MUCH less energy than can be produced. This is not so because the energy produced by combusting hydrogen and oxygen, is less than needed to break it apart, I THINK and that is the only way I can think of of them getting energy back from this process.

As my chem professor said "Hydrogen is NOT an energy source, it merely is a VERY EFFICIENT fuel source"

Sincerely,
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reply posted on 1-1-2003 @ 12:47 AM by itsatumbleweed


Who says they are breaking down the molecules?? They could just be harnessing th eenergy in the bonds.



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reply posted on 5-1-2003 @ 09:39 PM by Kronos


There many US patented water resonance electrolyze technologies (Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or Parahydrogen' US Patent 6126794, Stanley Meyer 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961)

However it is very easy to check if it works using few cheap elements: two stainless steel plates (1mm distance), square wave generator and TOPFET IC. Frequency out of 10-100kHz range should do the trick. Water silently changes its state to mixture of H and O gases. Plates are cold, no bubbles. It works. Fuel cell technology is well known and proven. The only new element is their membrane.
By the way if you know the resonance frequency of any kind of matter you can broke atomic joints.

The new energy revolution is coming anyway. For preview of first stage look here: GE Distributed Power



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reply posted on 6-3-2003 @ 03:27 PM by chipotle_pickle


Genesis World Energy Watch provides analysis of GWE's claims and business dealings:
members.cox.net...

But just a careful read their site ought to be enough to show that they are full of baloney, leaving the only question if they are a joke or a scam. Just look at this one sentance, from the first paragraph of their page "the technology": www.genesisworldenergy.com...

"As an example, 1000 watts of energy would be consumed to break water down to its molecular state and only 900 watts of usable gas energy would be yielded from the process."

This is some of the most compact silliness ever composed. Watts are not units of energy. You can't do anything with 1000 watts of energy, there is no such thing. 1000 watt-hours of energy, or 1000 watts of power would make sense. But in not one place in their whole site do they use watt-hours for energy. And I love "break water down to its molecular state". When is water not in a molecular state?



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