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Give Me Liberty

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posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 08:10 PM
It's when you read an article like this, that really starts you thinking about how the US government is just grabbing all the power it possibly can, and how our individual states, even back in the 1700's, knew that this could be a problem, and worked hard to try to prevent it, that really just makes you ask yourself where this country is headed today.

These are parts of resolutions written in 1798 and 1799 from two states when they thought the government was trying to gain too much power by trying to pass the Alien and Sedition Act.

Give Me Liberty

Virginia’s response to this egregious assault on liberty was the Virginia Resolution of 1798 which in parts stated:

That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact [the Constitution]

and continues

the General Assembly doth particularly protest against the palpable and alarming infractions of the Constitution, in the two late cases of the "Alien and Sedition Acts" passed at the last session of Congress; the first of which exercises a power no where delegated to the federal government, and which by uniting legislative and judicial powers to those of executive, subverts the general principles of free government

And from Kentucky:

Kentucky’s followed in short order by producing the Kentucky Resolution of 1798 which in part stated:

That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.

and continued:

That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations, and no other crimes, whatsoever

Kentucky felt it necessary to reiterate its position with the Kentucky Resolution of 1799 which in part stated:

That if those who administer the general government be permitted to transgress the limits fixed by that compact [the Constitution], by a total disregard to the special delegations of power therein contained, an annihilation of the state governments... will be the inevitable consequence.......

The Alien and Sedition Act reminds me of the type of laws being passed now in by the Fedreal Government. If you go to the link above and read up on the ACT, it doesn't seem much different than something that the US government might try now.

The Sedition Act says: (from the Wikipedia source above)

The Sedition Act says anyone "opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States" could be imprisoned for up to two years. It was also illegal to "write, print, utter, or publish" anything critical of the president or Congress.

They say history repeats itself, well in the 1790's, our representatives were smart enough not to let the US government aquire too much power, we can only hope our representatives today will do the same.

The best thing we can do is make sure we vote for the people who you think would have stood up with our forefathers in the 1790's and would not let the government gain too much power. When the representatives in States were brave enough to stand up and say, "ENOUGH".

[edit on 26/11/07 by Keyhole]

posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 10:30 PM
Well, guess what?

Came across a Bill that is trying to be passed in the Senate now, it is Senate Bill 1959, and is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007".

If We Don’t Stop Senate Bill 1959 WE BECOME THE TERRORISTS!

If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the govt. to declare ANYTHING they deem an “extremist belief system”, instantly making you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.

Almost looks like a new Sedition Act to me. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be having many problems getting passed.

Violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism: A bi-partisan attack on civil liberties.

Why is this alarming? Well the bill, otherwise known as the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007,” includes some vague definitions that could be interpreted to define people, who are currently protected by the First Amendment, essentially as thought criminals so that they would no longer be protected by quite possibly the most popular of all Constitutional Amendments.

This is “pre-crime” and “thoughtcrime” all packed into a predetermination set by this bill to bias any research done for and accepted by the commission created by the bill, which could logically lead to changes in interpretations of legalese and possibly more legislation that would directly criminalize ideologies that can be considered by whoever ends up doing the research as terrorism prone. It is a small but dangerous step toward a terrifying Orwellian scenario becoming reality.

The bill sets up a commission and a network of academic researchers to define certain ideologies as ‘thoughtcrime’ essentially, and it encompasses the concept of ‘pre-crime’ (remember the movie “Minority Report?”) in that the point of the bill is to identify ‘thoughtcrime’ in order to take preemptive action against those the State deems criminal due to their ideology.

I know what would have happened in the 1790's when a Bill like this passed, (quotes in first post) but I'm afraid the only thing that is going to happen in 2007 if this passes is that you might hear a little whimper.

[edit on 28/11/07 by Keyhole]

posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 01:10 AM
the same thing is happening here as happened in russia during after the revolution in the early 1900s. our polititions are setting the stage for the united states to become a fascist nation. we already have some out of coutry prisons akin to gulags, an excuse as to why the gov. can opress us such as the threat of global terrorism, and the ever increasing restriction of our freedoms.

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