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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:29 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by Jim_Kraken



I would suggest that if we added up all the people who have died in the name of organised religion, of any kind, if would far outstrip the millions who were unfortunate enough to suffer through the evil dealings of Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Hitler, and any other pyschopathic dictator that ruled in the 20th Century.

Look through history, God has always been the convenient excuse to use to justify war and genocide.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:32 PM by Jim_Kraken
reply to post by Freeborn



Actually, I've crunched the numbers and come to the opposite conclusion, but I'm afraid centurion man is gonna slash me with his gladius if I continue on this topic! Anyone can PM me if they want to see my numbers.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:37 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by intrepid





Btw, if you want quotes from a holy book, I could come up with some nasty passages from the Old Testament.


I agree with you. However, we are talking about practices of today. Doing horrible things in the name of religion. There are horrible things going on today....but what horrible things are being done in the name of say...Catholicism?


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:39 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by Beachcoma



Not that I put all my faith in Wiki....but:




Sharia (Arabic: شريعة transliteration: Šarī‘ah) is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain.

Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.

There is no strictly static codified set of laws of sharia. Sharia is more of a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an (the religious text of Islam), hadith (sayings and doings of Muhammad), (sayings and doings of of the early followers of Muhammad), ijma (consensus), qiyas (analogy) and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Twelvers (Hallaq 1997, Brown 1996, Aslan 2006).

en.wikipedia.org...




reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:44 PM by marg6043
reply to post by intrepid



Well the problem is that Religion is not the topic when the fundamentalist extremist in this nation commits crime. We call it hate crimes



reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:44 PM by Griff
reply to post by Souljah




Sorry Souljah, but I have to disagree.

It is not law to molest children.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:45 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by Souljah



I understand priests do horrible things....but many are being held accountable thanks to our US laws. Yes, many are not and are covered up by the Vatican....which is JUST as bad.

But they are NOT SAYING: I do these things in the name of "Catholicism". They are not justifying their behavior based on their religion!!! They are doing their behavior based on them being f* up people, while they are employed by the Vatican.

I mean, does a priest ever say "God told me to do this". "Im going to molest you because my religon tells me too" ??

There is a big difference IMO.

And while we are on the topic of Catholic priests being pedophiles. How often do we hear people trashing Catholicism left and right....bashing priests...the endless amounts of jokes............................and you dont see this type of outrage over it. It is much more acceptable then some of us bashing the people doing horrible things in the name of Islam.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:46 PM by intrepid
Originally posted by Griff
But, you have to admit that these countries are backwards because of their laws stemming from their holy book, no?


I agree but it's not right to paint Muslim governed nations as such. Check it out:

Most countries of the Middle East and North Africa maintain a dual system of secular courts and religious courts, in which the religious courts mainly regulate marriage and inheritance. Saudi Arabia and Iran maintain religious courts for all aspects of jurisprudence, and religious police assert social compliance. Laws derived from sharia are also applied in Afghanistan, Libya and Sudan. Some states in northern Nigeria have reintroduced Sharia courts.[9] In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include amputation of one/both hands for theft, stoning for adultery and apostasy.


That's six of the 48 Muslim nations that practice Sharia. Conversely:

There is tremendous variety in the interpretation and implementation of Islamic Law in Muslim societies today. Liberal movements within Islam have questioned the relevance and applicability of sharia from a variety of perspectives; Islamic feminism brings multiple points of view to the discussion. Several of the countries with the largest Muslim populations, including Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, have largely secular constitutions and laws, with only a few Islamic provisions in family law. Turkey has a constitution that is officially strongly secular.


en.wikipedia.org...

See the difference?


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 01:46 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by Jim_Kraken



Please do supply the numbers.

Though I have no "facts" at present but I would be absolutely amazed if the sum total of deaths throughout history attributable to religion, (Ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Aztecs, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhs, Hindu's, Romans etc, etc, etc) exceeded those attributable to Communism and other modern dictators.

However, we digress slightly.
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