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British Teacher Faces 40 Lashes for Naming Class Teddy Bear 'Muhammad'

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posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:51 AM
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Wonder what would happen if i made a t-shirt saying Muhammad on and walked through Sudan.
This really is a joke and that is all im going to say...




posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:51 AM
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I've already noted that Islam is the religion of Fear. I guess that along with that it is the religion of Hate. Why else would it's acolytes want to murder an innocent teacher?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 09:59 AM
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But you have to remember Sudan is home to an extreme version of Islam, it's completely different to those you will find in other parts of the world. Historically speaking, Sudan has always been that way.

If this happened in Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc, I doubt they would really care to behonest.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Thousands call for the death of the teacher.

Freak'n idiots.


And we are freak'n idiots for sending billions in aid to this cesspool.

We should be demanding certain CIVILIZED behaviors in order for them to get our aid.

Calling for a kindly teacher to be put to death for allowing students to name a teddy bear is NOT the kind of behavior we should be supporting with our $$$.

I swear - sending aid to prop up these cultures just interferes with the desperately needed NATURAL SELECTION process.



again, applying western sensibility to islamic culture = most common mistake.

the protesters calling for her death are simply practicing proper muslim dogma

you dont have to agree with their religion, but it helps to understand the origins of their behaviour

idolatry seems silly and trivial to us but is a deathly serious thing to them:

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)




Gill Lusk, the associate editor of Africa Confidential and a specialist on Sudan, says the incident will have offended many in the country. As Sudan is a place where religion is never mocked or satirised, it's "unthinkable" that a toy or pet could be given a religious name.

"You're not supposed to give a religious name to any objects - it could be seen as idolatry."

"People are very forgiving of foreigners, particularly Europeans. Nobody would think she was trying to offend them - they would just think she was ignorant."


news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:09 AM
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For a long time i have sat on the fence when people criticize Islam, ive also been against the wars in Afghahnistan and Iraq as i feel they notion they were a direct threat to Western countries was complete "bunk".

However, the more research and stories i read make me feel it is about time these oppressive regimes under islamic rule are toppled. My god what century are we living in? A woman can be punished for being raped? Teachers can be chastised for naming a teddy Muhammad?

For all of Christianity's failings at least they realised over a hundred years ago that murder in the name of god is somewhat of a paradox. Maybe someone can enlighten me and show the true loving nature of Islam? All i see is a culture of hatred, oppression and the willingness to believe that a book is more important than a human life.

If this poor woman is harmed then i think the British government has every right to use military action against the Sudanese.

If i want to call my teddy Muhammad then ill call the bloody thing Muhammad. Are these people so brainwashed by Islam that they have lost all common decency? Religion "BAH" waste of time, energy and life. About time the human race realised we are beyond believing in Myths and Legends. God can exist without the need for some "Prophet" to tell me he exists. When the good lord himself comes down with a fiery pen and etche's the rules of existance into the ground then i will believe. And if that happens i highly doubt he will punish me for the names i call my Teddy.

Rant over.... Peace



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.

"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.

"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.


Clerics like this and the protesters with a rabid thirst for blood do more to foster hatred for Islam & the false phophet Muhammed than any slight to there so called religion of peace.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:13 AM
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errr, this does happen is those vile Islamo states all the time. It is just a better "state" controlled media.

Saudi beheads people all the time as do the other vile places.

Example the recent jailng of the victim of a gang rape..........

Yo Sudan...........Mohammad is the son of a camel drivers dog................Teddy Bears RULE!



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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Good judgement be damned.



Tell me how this is the real threat to Muhammad.

I think it is high time we quit dumbing ourselves down for backward societies.

Maybe if they see that the world is not going to come to a screeching halt if someone shows disrespect for a long dead imperfect man, they will rethink their ridiculous stand on such matters.







[edit on 30-11-2007 by Sparky63]



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:22 AM
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Have you ever read the Qur'an? I studied at high school.

Islam is the only abrahamic religion that states Christians, Jews and Muslims will all go to heaven if they believe in God and the final days. Christians and Jews are called people of the book and are not referred to as non-believers.

Btw, lets not turn this thread into a hate rant mkay?

here is quote from the Qur'an



Surely they who believe and do good deeds and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate they shall have their reward from their Lord, and they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Cow 2.277)”
- reference to Jews, Christians, and the Sabians

Sorry to spoil your hate rants



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:25 AM
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Sorry only those who convert to Islam get to Allah's place.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:31 AM
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Here, Here.

Nail hit right on the head. Although most Muslim's will be decent, pleasant and law abiding (By law i mean real laws not religious laws) i fail to see the logic in stoning someone to death for being raped or rioting in the streets / setting fire to foriegn embassies because muhammad is in a cartoon.

If the Muslim world hates us now how would it feel if we took its approach and started calling for the death of every Muslim who ever spoke a wrong word against Jesus or the Western world. Lets burn the Iranian embassy for taking our some of our naval officers hostage. "Death Death Death to Iran". Its about time we stood up to this idiocy and fight fire with fire.

Or how about we accept that we all have the choice to believe in whatever we want, get along and stop this madness.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
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Have you ever read the Qur'an? I studied at high school.

Islam is the only abrahamic religion that states Christians, Jews and Muslims will all go to heaven if they believe in God and the final days. Christians and Jews are called people of the book and are not referred to as non-believers.

Btw, lets not turn this thread into a hate rant mkay?

here is quote from the Qur'an



Surely they who believe and do good deeds and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate they shall have their reward from their Lord, and they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Cow 2.277)”
- reference to Jews, Christians, and the Sabians

Sorry to spoil your hate rants


funny how they were not named in that passage, only supposedly referrerd to...

how long ago was high school? i have been studying it for the past 5 years or so.

christians? jews? let us have a looksie into what the koran has to say about those people:


Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"The God will say: 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?' 'Glory to You, 'he will answer, 'how could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-)

"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Sura (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Sura (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

To try and gain their favor, Muhammad briefly preached that Christians and Jews could attain salvation through their own faith. In fact, he changed his followers' direction for prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, which prompted the Jews' tolerance of him while he worked surreptitiously for the power to dominate them. These earlier concessions and teachings were later revoked by Muhammad, since the Jews ultimately refused his religion. The rare early verses of tolerance in the Qur'an are abrogated by later verses such as 9:29.


they may have skipped the good parts in high school, else how could you have overlooked those? are there any other ways to interpret these words of allah according to the prophet?

again, there is a difference between hatred and knowledge, i cant believe thats too subtle a point for some on here.

venomous snakes will bite you if you let them, it is their nature, do not hate them for it, but do not be stupid.




posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by kangjia57
Mate its not that you avoid killing innocents, its the fact that theres too much media around and you dont want the world too see you carpet bombing and dropping clusters on civillians like you did in Veitnam.


Why would we care? The world already hates us, if I were an animal like the ones you glorify, I'd say we should carpet bomb the civilians, level the playing field a bit since "your" guys have the luxury of not having to worry about it, and are happy to martyr as many innocent muslims as needed to kill a few soldiers.



And the most funniest thing i find is that these fighters,insurgents or whatever you want to call them are fighting with the little they have against your millitary might.They got their crapy Aks which is about 50 years old and they got thier arab scarfs on with thier crapy old slippers.


That's the "most funniest" thing to you? The "most funniest" thing to me is that you have NO idea what you're talking about. There is a huge difference between two standing, uniformed armies fighting, and an army fighting cowards who hide among civilians, being forced into a police role where they have to positively identify bad guys dressed as civilians before engaging them, as to avoid civilian casualties, for whatever reason you put to it. Our army can steamroll over ANY muslim army on this planet in a matter of days, even hours. Like has been shown time and again. Even Israel by itself can wipe up the rest of the ME conventionally if we let them off the leash.



And they have managed to bring your millitary might to its knees and killed thousands of your soldiers.God sometimes i think if these guys had abit more training and better weapons they would wipe your armies clean.




See above.

Edit to add: Iraq has calmed down quite a bit, and ALOT of local Sunnis are now on board with the US military, and chose to run Al Queda out of their cities. Many are now on the US payroll as well.



Always remember its not how strong or how big your army is,its all about how motivated they are to fight for thier cause.Keep that in mind matey.


No, there's a huge difference between being a brainwashed zombie ready to throw your life away for a fairy tale, and a soldier who is fighting to LIVE, and get home to his family. There is a huge difference between being a brainwashed zombie who could care less about any life over your false religion, and being a decent human being that actually cares about innocent life, regardless of race, religion, etc. If we were like you, there wouldn't even be any muslim countries left. Keep that in mind, matey.

And for all the brits out there, this poster, if legit, should be a major wake-up call. Many muslims in your country don't appear to see themselves as British citizens, they see it as "us vs. them". It's not like that here yet, but it would be very hard not to see it as a very real threat to our security if it were.

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posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Grenade
Although most Muslim's will be decent, pleasant and law abiding (By law i mean real laws not religious laws)


where did you get that information? do you have research or documents to support that, or is it simply a polite assumption borne from western sensibilities?

where are these decent 'most muslims' when its time to protest what their numerous and enthusiastic brothers are doing in their name?

if it is most muslims, they would be protected by sheer numbers in speaking out and demanding change... i dunno about you, but i've heard nary a peep.

allahs words are law, above the laws of any host country. shall i quote the big guy himself?


Muslim Allegiance to Non-Muslim Governments




"Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it [Islam] any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to Allah, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man's servitude to man." [Quoted from Andrew Bostom's The Legacy of Jihad]



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:52 AM
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That is the kind of rhetoric which in my opinion alienates the Islamic belief from Western culture.

For those who claim Islam is not a threat to peace on earth i ask you to defend these passages and show me something to the contrary.

Would a muslim teacher in a British school face legal action and deportation for naming a class teddy bear Jesus?

For the record, I do not hate Muslim's, it seems Muslim's hate me for not sharing their belief. I do not ask anything of them, only that they allow me to exist in peace.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 10:59 AM
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A few comments:

Elsewhere in this discussion someone said that should the US be under a Christian theocracy that all gays would be dead. Were this the consensus opinion of Christians there would be many hate crimes perpetrated against them by questions. Christianity has evolved and no longer will accept such actions.

Whenever an abortion clinic has been bombed(which is infrequent) ,Christians come out loudly and vocally against the atrocity.
When Mohammed is depicted in a Danish cartoon a public outcry, yet the last supper is depicted here including sex toys and it is permitted.

Fine, atheists, I understand. Should you want a pragmatic approach to this problem, let's work on the problems religion is causing now. When is the last time Christians killed 3000 people in one day? Christianity has a dark past, but it IS the past. Let's focus on the problem we have now, until the Muslim Martin Luther comes foward.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by planetfall

Originally posted by Grenade
Although most Muslim's will be decent, pleasant and law abiding (By law i mean real laws not religious laws)


where did you get that information? do you have research or documents to support that, or is it simply a polite assumption borne from western sensibilities?

where are these decent 'most muslims' when its time to protest what their numerous and enthusiastic brothers are doing in their name?

 


This is based on my personal experience, having some Muslim friends in the past who have never tried to force their belief system onto me. I think decent law abiding Muslim's are afraid to criticize their own religion and i for one do not blame them. Stoning to death does not seem like a healthy proposition. I do not like to tar everyone with the same brush, i think all Muslim's are misinformed as i think all Christian's are. Religion as we know it is, as i previously stated Myth and Legend, a control system for the masses. The western world is at the brink of casting off its reliance on religion. Shame our Muslim brother's are still locked in the dark ages. Science and the advancement of human civilisation as a whole should be our new goals, surely a theoretical god would reward us more highly for these persuits.



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by mj 09
When is the last time Christians killed 3000 people in one day? Christianity has a dark past, but it IS the past. Let's focus on the problem we have now, until the Muslim Martin Luther comes foward.


Christendom cannot claim the high road.


Rwandan Christians played in the swiftest and in some ways most brutal genocide of the 20th century.

Rwanda was the most heavily Christianized country in Africa. Some 90 percent of the people identified themselves as Christians. The Roman Catholic Church, to which 65 percent of the population belonged, played a huge role in Rwandan society. Christian churches, seminaries, schools and other institutions were sprinkled throughout the land.

And yet all of this Christianity did not prevent genocide, a genocide which leading church officials did little to resist, in which a large number of Christians participated, and in which, according to African Rights, more people "died in churches and parishes than anywhere else."


findarticles.com...


At least 500,000 Tutsis and thousands of moderate Hutus died in the genocide. Some estimates put the death toll between 800,000 and 1,000,000.

Alas more recent than past. Do not deceive yourself that it cannot happen again.



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[edit on 30-11-2007 by Sparky63]



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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These Sharia Muslims are nothing more than barbarians period ! The teacher did'nt name the teddy bear , The children did ! Dont they name their children MOHAMMED ? I think if anything they should look in the mirror before passing judgement on this teacher . Dont you think that by nameing a child with the so called prohet's name should also be ruled blasphemy ?



posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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I'm not getting into a debate with someone who is searching around google to justify anything he/she types.

ATS motto is Deny Ignorance, not promote hate

when you've understood that, then ask me for a debate.



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