British Teacher Faces 40 Lashes for Naming Class Teddy Bear 'Muhammad', page 3

reply to post by Jim_Kraken

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You are wrong.
Not only do they whip people for "social issues"....but they hang them too. They do public lynching of gay people - just because they are gay.

Do any search, and you will see these things are practiced today. Im not sure why you think they are just saying it because.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken

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Really? Hm. I guess I will have to digg further and see how the masses are standing up and demanding this be stopped.

reply to post by greeneyedleo

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Dude, how many straw men am I going to have to tolerate today? I never said "no one ever is whipped by Muslims", I just suggested that often these sentences are symbolic only.

reply to post by greeneyedleo

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Moderate voices don't get much news coverage.

Old thread, but with plenty of links there:
Where is the outcry from moderate Muslims?

Moderate voices for anything don't get much coverage. Even on ATS. See the links I posted on page 1 -- the thread died after 37 posts. This thread is already at 30+ posts in less than an hour.

Hell, it doesn't even have to be moderate Muslims... it could be moderate anything:
How do Moderates view climate change ?

Thread died after three posts.

reply to post by Griff

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Yeah, we like that name, it seems. The 40 lashes thing apc has already explained. Plus I've already explained in the thread I linked on page 1.

Reminder:

Mod Note: General ATS Discussion Etiquette – Please Review This Link.


That means no name calling, just stick to the topic and discuss it in a civil manner.

Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
reply to post by greeneyedleo

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Dude, how many straw men am I going to have to tolerate today? I never said "no one ever is whipped by Muslims", I just suggested that often these sentences are symbolic only.

First, I believe you should address her as "dudette".

Second, maybe you are the "straw man" in this discussion.

Last, again what is your evidence that these sentences are only "symbolic"? Wishful thinking? I have never seen a news reference that they are anything but real punishment. That would be "non-symbolic" in your terms.

[edit on 11/26/2007 by centurion1211]

Here's a good article I've found about a reform-minded (apparent) Muslim who makes some good remarks about other reform movements initiated by Muslims:

www.international.ucla.edu...

Wow, I started this THREE HOURS ago and no-one posted and I never would have considered this in any way "alternative" news - www.abovetopsecret.com... -

It's cool though, my threads always get ignored anyway

reply to post by Jim_Kraken

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Dude, im a chic. LOL Still wanna wrestle with me?


[edit on 26-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by greeneyedleo

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In a figurative sense, sure, let's go right ahead...now, can you demonstrate that
Muslims are such scum given the heroic efforts of reform-minded Muslims?

Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
Here's a good article I've found about a reform-minded (apparent) Muslim who makes some good remarks about other reform movements initiated by Muslims:

www.international.ucla.edu...

I think the key word in your post was simply the letter "a", as in you found evidence of a single person as compared to the millions that believe in the practice of sharia law.

Oh, and here's an excerpt from your article:

He and a large group of researchers from his center were arrested by the Egyptian government in June 2000 and put through a three-year ordeal of trials and imprisonment on the spurious charges of unpatriotic activities and "embezzlement" from the European Union -- a charge the European Union itself denied. Their crime was to publish material on the persecution of Egypt's Coptic Christian minority ...

Doesn't sound like he was making much headway in his quest for "muslim civil rights", now does it?

[edit on 11/26/2007 by centurion1211]

reply to post by Muppetus Galacticus

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That's because the title of your thread was... benign... moderate. You want more replies, you post a sensational title. That plus an emotionally charged commentary. Yours is just as benign as any of my threads and as such gets ignored by the emotion junkies that most people are.

reply to post by centurion1211

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Hey, you can't fault the dude for trying! Furthermore, I would like you to read deeper into the article where he mentions reform-minded Muslim monarchs.

Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
reply to post by greeneyedleo

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In a figurative sense, sure, let's go right ahead...now, can you demonstrate that
Muslims are such scum given the heroic efforts of reform-minded Muslims?

Oh give me a break! Are you kidding me? I have NEVER EVER EVER said Muslim are scum - go read some of my posts over time here. My heart actually goes out to the Muslims who are treated like animals.





What I find absolutely ridiculous HERE and elsewhere......is that ALL Christians are labeled the same.........one Christian does something horrible and ALL Christians are labeled horrible.

However, if anyone says anything negative about a Muslim based on something horrible done.....then automatically there are cries of "you hate all Muslims".


Im sorry, but just because I find behavior by some Muslims appalling it does NOT mean I think all Muslims are horrible. However, the fact that these horrible people are doing things in the name of Islam needs to be addressed by Muslims - and the rest of the world. It is THEM who are making their religion look horrible. It is THEM who need to be condemned!

[edit on 26-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

[edit on 26-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by greeneyedleo

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Sorry if I came across as implying that I thought you were painting Muslims with a broad brush. Though, I am disturbed by the Muslim-bashing on this thread that otherwise wouldn't be tolerated if it were another group.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken

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Hmmm. I did see that. Maybe a single candle in the darkness, there.

But I also read this in your article:

Ibrahim began by defending the title of his talk, "Seven Reasons for Optimism in the Middle East." He conceded that such a title was "provocative," and noted that in the last fifty years the Greater Middle East, the region from Pakistan to Morocco, which had contained only 7% of the world's population, had been responsible "for 35% of the total armed violence that occurred globally in that time."

Religion of peace, indeed.

And this:

Is Optimism Justified?
Saad Michael Saad, senior editor of Watani International, an Arabic-language Coptic Christian newspaper published in New York, lamented the hostility of the Egyptian and Saudi media toward his people. "Hate messages are printed in textbooks from kindergarten to senior high school and followed up by professors in every subject. . . . Do you see any reason for hope on this point?"

Which helps explain why we should, in fact, blame the religion (of islam) for the crowd of angry young men mentioned in the OP.

reply to post by Jim_Kraken

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Apology acceptedHowever, the religion of Christianity actually gets just as abused....and it seems way more tolerated IMO

It seems in this day and age, it is okay to trash Christians who do wrong....but not okay to trash Muslims who do wrong. That I dont understand

[edit on 26-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

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