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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:16 PM by Griff
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And yet, they name THEMSELVES Mohammad. Every Muslim I know is named Mohammad. What gives? Any Muslims want to answer that? Thanks.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:17 PM by Beachcoma
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It's kinda like our version of John.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:18 PM by centurion1211
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Uh, maybe mr lizard is not sympathetic to his fellow Brits because he might be one of the "more recent arrivals" over there. There, was that PC
enough for the lot of you?
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:18 PM by Jim_Kraken
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I don't know if they actually GIVE the people these lashes or if they are merely symbolic.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:19 PM by Jim_Kraken
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Oh, and criticize the COUNTRY *not* the religion.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:20 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
I don't know if they actually GIVE the people these lashes or if they are merely symbolic. 
Yes, they do.
They also cut off heads, hands and other body parts as a "symbolic" (and barbaric) gesture towards the crime they feel was committed.
 
And multiple countries, but same religion. You do the math ...
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:21 PM by Jim_Kraken
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OK, wiseguy, you know that they always give them the lashes how?
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:22 PM by Beachcoma
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Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
Oh, and criticize the COUNTRY *not* the religion. 
It's what I've been trying to say but nobody listens...
More fun to hate a whole bunch of people, kinda like how some people broad-brush all Americans as idiotic flag waving ultra-patriots.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:22 PM by Griff
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I have to agree here. Imagine that.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:25 PM by centurion1211
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OK, naive-guy. Read the news, any news. Pick a source, any source.
Example: If the (barbaric) saudis really don't plan on whipping the rape victim 200 times and then putting her in prison, then why are they so upset
about the western (civilized) reaction to it?
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:27 PM by greeneyedleo
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I understand what you are saying..........however....why dont the majority of those practicing the religion stand up and denounce this? Why doesnt
the UN step in and make issue with it - like they do with things regarding this country?
I continually hear about muslims denouncing the horrible treatment by non-Muslims....but where are the masses crying out about the horrible treatment
by their own people?
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:27 PM by Griff
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But, that still doesn't explain why naming a teddy bear is worth 40 lashes and naming your child or changing your name is any different. Aren't you
idolizing the name when you name your child Muhammad?
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:28 PM by apc
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The problem here, as usual, is not any one religion.
It is theocracy. Any government that is ruled by a set of religious ideals will appear barbaric to outsiders.
If the US were truly managed under a Christian theocracy, all the gays would be dead, all the women would be voiceless and pregnant, and to question
the holy leaders would get your head bashed in with a rock.
The specific religion in question has nothing to do with this. It is the reliance on theology to run a country that must be condemned.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:30 PM by Griff
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I'll second this. Nice way of looking at it.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:31 PM by V0NkA1N87
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Originally posted by apc
The problem here, as usual, is not any one religion.
It is theocracy. Any government that is ruled by a set of religious ideals will appear barbaric to outsiders.
If the US were truly managed under a Christian theocracy, all the gays would be dead, all the women would be voiceless and pregnant, and to question
the holy leaders would get your head bashed in with a rock.
The specific religion in question has nothing to do with this. It is the reliance on theology to run a country that must be condemned. 
You've hit the nail square on the head
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:31 PM by Jim_Kraken
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I have no doubt they were going to imprison the rape victim, but I still think the 200 lashes were probably just symbolic. Such a punishment would
probably be fatal, I don't think the Saudis are going to kill her and risk even more bad press than they've already got.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:31 PM by greeneyedleo
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But they are doing these things in the name of their religion - not in the name of their country.....and the rest of the religion sits by and says
nothing.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:32 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by apc
The problem here, as usual, is not any one religion.
It is theocracy. Any government that is ruled by a set of religious ideals will appear barbaric to outsiders.
If the US were truly managed under a Christian theocracy, all the gays would be dead, all the women would be voiceless and pregnant, and to question
the holy leaders would get your head bashed in with a rock.
The specific religion in question has nothing to do with this. It is the reliance on theology to run a country that must be condemned. 
This is exactly the truth. Well said.  
The problem here is that there is currently only one major religion with theocracies in place and trying to establish more - islam.
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 12:33 PM by Jim_Kraken
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It's totally disingenuous to say that Muslims don't stand up against this kind of cruelty...there are plenty of Muslim civil rights organizations.
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