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reply to post by StellarX
China and India suffered far more dead due to flooding in past centuries ( and in 31' as many as 3 million died in China due to flooding and after effects) than they are ever likely to again and the days of the floods that kills hundreds of thousands are probably a thing of the past whatever China chooses to do to it's environment.
Originally posted by plumranch
Hi Stellar, Thanks for your post.
Not sure why you think China is not likely to suffer severe flooding again aside from statistical probability but they do have major or should I say a mega dam project called the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River.
It has been criticized as being highly risky overall (effects not predictable), esp. relating to sociological, archeological, cultural and environmental consequences.
It may well have major benificial effects but it is the kind of project that would have little chance of approval in a western country.
This dam is one of the Hallmarks of the Chinese government, ie. when they decide to do something they really get with it (big time)! This particular quality of China could either break them or save their bacon. Time will tell!
Originally posted by Beachcoma
In regards to desertification -- you're just looking at the issue from a single perspective. Swapping out cash crops for food won't solve a thing. Why? You're still using the water, no? And more food equals more people in the end, which will result in more water usage anyway.
Pertaining to better technologies -- you need money first to get to that level.
Cash crops can supplement this, so it comes back to that. It's all about balance.
On the issue of preventing mudslides -- since you're not from a rainforest/tropical region, I don't think you're much of an authority to say anything about it. When it pours here, it really pours. And these days it rains heavier and more frequently than it used to.
The route they usually took - up the hills of Bukit Timah Nature Reserve - has been cordoned off.
Heavy rains had caused a mudslide, dragging along part of the popular "Tiup-tiup" trail.
And then in December of the same year:
Floods, mudslides belt Singapore
Mudslides carried soil and trees down a slope, covering two cars, parts of a playground and the front yards of several homes.
One of the richest country in the tropical zone with a level of technology at least a decade ahead of it's neighbour to the north -- still not immune to mudslides.
Let's not even talk about other tropical countries...
And no, I'm not scaremongering. Just stating the facts.
Originally posted by centurion1211
And you don't think (all) the posts by stellarx don't reek of "nationalism"?
The guy is a "homer" for anything related to the old U.S.S.R.
(apparently still thinks it exists - but wait, here comes Putin),
and here is defending another communist dictatorial regime employing the old "ends justify the means" manifesto.
The rest of the world can GTH for all the chinese care.
Yo! Wake up people and quit hammering on the U.S. all the time.
Your real problem (china) is sneaking up on you ...
Originally posted by avingard
They have a point, legally, global warming really isn't their problem. Don't yell at China, yell at the Kyoto Protocol. According to Kyoto, developing countries are exempt from restrictions on emissions.
Originally posted by StellarX
Which must be why so many Japanese and Taiwanese/Koreans die in mudslides every year?
It's REALLY easy to get scared by all the media propaganda
reply to post by StellarX
Are you implying that the Chinese can't build dams or that whoever designed the dam made some kind of error?
Originally posted by wwssii
If malicious curse can make you feel better, just do it to present your "advance" civilization.
God will care those benevelent people.
Originally posted by Beachcoma
Your attempts to be sarcastic shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
Weather in the temperate zone (that's where those countries you listed are located) and that in the tropical zone are totally different. Do you even know the difference? Have you been to Taiwan and/or Singapore?
Media propaganda? What nonsense. I live here in the tropics, silly. Plus I don't watch American news channels. I've event stopped watching those propaganda shows on NatGeo masquerading as documentaries
But then I only need to look out my window to see the rains are getting heavier and more frequent. I only have to walk down the road to see that the sink hole they patched a month ago has reappeared.
You telling me those things do not cost money to fix?
I need only drive up to Genting (look it up) to see that even all the money in the world and all the advanced technology the owners of GohTongland can buy will not help them when the heavy rains cause landslides. It's getting less frequent only because they're spending more cash shoring up the slopes.
Even if those landslides don't cost any human lives, it still costs money to clear it up. It still costs money to fix the damage.
Stop being so egotistical. If you were talking about events happening in your neck of the woods, I'd listen to you. Now listen when I'm talking about events happening in my region of the world.
The Singaporeans have a word for it. Kiasu. Look it up.
As for the rest of your post, you seem to have misinterpreted my stance on the entire climate change issue.
You can look to this post for a complete outline of where I stand. It's not an "either you're with us or against us" thing. It certainly as hell isn't political (though some people would try to make it one )
My whole point is, some things we can fix, some things we can't. Best we not break it in the first place if we can help it -- it's only going to cost more to fix it later.
I'll take your points about starvation versus cash crops into consideration. Somehow I doubt it applies to China (where birth rates are encouraged to be low any way...)
Thanks for your post...