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I.Q. and Mozart

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posted on Nov, 25 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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In 1999 CNN pubished article that Mozarts music does not increase IQ
www.cnn.com...

However the masons are saying that IQ increases.
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...

Who is right ?




posted on Nov, 25 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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I believe a good IQ is not buying those CD's and teaching your kids and yourself the right knowledge. Mathematics is what the universe consist of, so maybe the masons are right. I still think that some people are just born with an IQ so bright that it defies our own intelligence. It's amazing to see some of these children play a piano at the age of three like an adult practicing all their lives. Or spitting out math answers that I would need a calculator for. But I do believe that it takes incredible concentration and the will to learn to better your IQ.



posted on Nov, 25 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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BBC News on Mozart:
news.bbc.co.uk...
Mozart 'can cut epilepsy'



posted on Nov, 25 2007 @ 04:06 PM
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My theory when i look into IQ is this if we have too little we can not function.

HOWEVER

If we have too much we also can not function.

Therefore IQ is both important and un important at the same time.

I think there are different apsect's of IQ and in this case Mozart got a great deal of musical genious just below the point where his IQ may have made him disabled if it was any higher.

Just my persoanl opinion.

I have heard of many story's of those with high IQ being very depressed.

Regard's
Lee





[edit on 25-11-2007 by h3akalee]



posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 02:28 AM
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the music might not statistically boost IQ. However it may create a placebo effect where the listener believes they are smarter.

I dont know how effective the study is anyway with only 10 minute listening sessions. What about people who have been listening their whole lives?



posted on Nov, 26 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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IQ cannot be measured as 1 unit alone. the most commenly IQ tests used today, is based on mathmatical/logic intelligence.

According to many different people IQ has to be "split up" in a more "colorfull" way. many prominent researchers have offered their own definitions of intelligence.

Gardner believes in many forms of intelligence such as:
Bodily-Kinesthetic
Interpersonal
Linguistic
Logical-Mathematical
Naturalistic
Intrapersonal
Spatial
Musical
Other intelligences like spiritual, existential and moral intelligence.

Here a a some people with things to say about intelligence:
Charles Edward Spearman
Carolus Slovinec
Alfred Binet
David Wechsler
Cyril Burt
Howard Gardner
Linda Gottfredson
Herrnstein and Murray
Sternberg and Salter
D. Samuel Nuessle

So in my oppinion to measure a "true" IQ, one has to measure a persons ability in many different fields.

Maybe the different sounds, combination of instruments, rythm etc in Mozarts symphonies, can actually help to see a certain pattern or connection between things or something, i don't know?

But i believe that every experience we have, contributes to the whole/true intelligence.



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 01:30 AM
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Listen to Mozart backwards. Is it the "Anti-Mozart"?
If your child is dyslexic and he enjoys Mozart, is he evil? Or just a rock and roller?



posted on Nov, 27 2007 @ 09:52 PM
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Didnt they do a more intesive experiment.. they found that it Does increase IQ but for a small amount of time only.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 02:09 AM
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reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel
 


what part of the IQ did it raise?



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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My daughter and I both scored very high on several standard IQ tests.
At 4 we could both read at a advanced level.

I don't think that makes either of us a genius though.

I always tell my daughter that a high IQ doesn't mean that your smart.
It does mean though that you have the potential to excel in certain areas.
Just like anything else though, that potential can be wasted.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 12:28 PM
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I remember one IQ test question was about a dwg of a submarine.
The sub was under the surface of the water with its nose pointed up slightly toward the surface.
The tester asked me, judging from the picture, if the sub was ascending or descending. I immediately respondedby saying that it would depend on if the sub was going forward or backward.

She said that no one had ever responded in this way.
She acted like she was very impressed by my answer. Her admiration though was misplaced...The point is that the question was flawed.

Anyone who knows how subs operate would know that the sub can travel in just about any direction independant of its orientation to the surface.

I have no confidence in an IQ tests abilty to judge real intelligence.

My spelling errors should be a clear indication that a high IQ does not make one smart.



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 12:28 PM
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double post. Sorry. Bad Mouse!!!

[edit on 28-11-2007 by Sparky63]



posted on Nov, 28 2007 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by h3akalee
My theory when i look into IQ is this if we have too little we can not function.

HOWEVER

If we have too much we also can not function.

Therefore IQ is both important and un important at the same time.

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Well, the first is certainly true...

The second is only true in the social sense. Most extremely intelligent people, not all, are not very socially inclined. Some never marry or have family. Some never progress out of the doldrums of their own insecurity.



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 09:40 AM
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Firstly Mozart used to work for the Masons.
I have the full Masonic works of Mozart on a 12' Record.
They used his music during Cerimonys, and his death march was used at their black masses.

So that could be why their pushing his stuff, Cause hes one of them.


:: IMPORTANT ::

Also By having parents play Mozart for their children, under the guise of "helps the children learn,"
the parents may be unwittingly alowing the Masons into their Children's lives.

Possibly for induction, or even to preform Masonic Cerimonys on their children,
while the Children's parents are off in the other room.
Thinking how wonderful it is, now that billys going to be so smart.

And CNN works for Thule(Nazis), which is an entirely different Organization.

Germans suck!



posted on Nov, 29 2007 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by AFX237
And CNN works for Thule(Nazis), which is an entirely different Organization.



The Nazis were very anti-Masonic, so it stands to reason that they would contradict anything that the Masons adhered to. If you don't believe that, read some of Hitler's speeches. His speeches were very hateful and vitriolic towards Masonry.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 01:56 PM
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The really smart ones among us listen to Bach.



posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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Since you are listening to Bach, what is your I.Q. and why is it better than Mozart ?



posted on Dec, 2 2007 @ 12:42 AM
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I Cant believe you said that!



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