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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by BlueRaja
You also fail to recognize that large factions of the legitimate government do not approve of the US troop presence in Iraq. Furthermore, a large segment of the population is not even represented in this "democracy" because the US has deemed them "terrorists" in their own country. Violent resistance to the presence of a foreign power is not terrorism.
The Iraqis were told they'd be killed if they did vote by the insurgents. Please stop with the BS revisionism- there was no American threat to blow anything up PERIOD. We had to pull security so that they could come out and vote. They risked their lives to vote, and came out in greater percentages than American voters- .
You're wrong about the "large segement" not represented. It's a small number of folks trying to intimidate the rest through violence. Some of them for political reasons, some for religious reasons. The vast majority of Iraqis just want stability, and the ability to provide for their families. It's a small group that want to sabotage that effort, and of this group, it's not even comprised solely of Iraqis.
Originally posted by jackinthebox
I know what I call them. Puppets. What sort of democracy can you have when you are basically told "go vote or I'll shoot you and blow up your home."
Originally posted by jackinthebox
Wether or not there were any WMD's is even beside the point, as is the whole "Saddam was a bad man" argument.
The Iraqi people actually had a relatively high standard of living with effective social programs, a secular government (albeit dominated by a cult of personality), and generally positive relations with both western and Asian nations for decades.
On the other hand, there is another country that is led by a real loony-tune who has no grip on reality whatsoever and has let his people starve to death by the millions. He also has nuclear weapons, as a matter of fact, and his country has been isolated by the world since the 1950's. Saddam Hussein may have been a viscious and brutal dictator, but he was also effective in controlling a diverse and violent country with positive results for the people. Kim Jong Il is the real madman, and he's still standing over there in his platform shoes.
If not for the US there would not be a Kurd alive in Iraq.
You are very right here with old Kim, but there is a small difference between the two. In Saddam’s case he actually invaded another country and used WMDs on his own people and Kim has not gone so far as to push the button in either case. Because of that the world sees Kim as a loon, but also a containable loon where Saddam was not containable and that ultimately lead to his down fall.
Originally posted by ferretman2
NWO -
You obviously need to mature a little and with that attitude I don't belive ATS is the right place for you.
Most people here share ideas and have discussions and do not resort to namecalling or being obtuse.
Originally posted by laiguana
Only liberals and terrorist sympathizers believe Iraq war was not justified.
...There's even footage of Saddam handing out checks to families of suicide bombers...
Originally posted by jackinthebox
To make the invasion legal, the US needed a resolution to be passed by the UN Security Council. The US knew that their intelligence was weak/non-existant, so they didn't even bother to call for a vote. Previous resolutions in no way granted the US the authority to invade if the terms of those previous resolutions were violated. That's like saying it's justifiable to hang someone for speeding. Legally, we did need UN approval for what we did.
Originally posted by jackinthebox
Saddam Hussein may have been a viscious and brutal dictator, but he was also effective in controlling a diverse and violent country with positive results for the people.
[edit on 12/11/0707 by jackinthebox]
And name me the court that has the authority over the United States?
I am sorry, how many people have been indicted. Surely if it were ILLEGAL, someone would have been indicted by now. Well,......anyone???
It was not Saddam Hussein that was effective in controlling a diverse and violent country with positive results for the people, it was the death squads led by his two sons that regularly executed people who disagreed with the thoughts of the dictator.