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Russia planning maneuvers of its nuclear forces next month

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posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 12:24 AM
WTF Why are they preparing for an all out nuclear war? About the only country that could be a real threat to Russia is the US. Is this a line in the sand thing?

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's nuclear forces reportedly are preparing their largest maneuvers in two decades, an exercise involving the test-firing of missiles and flights by dozens of bombers in a massive simulation of an all-out nuclear war.

President Vladimir Putin is expected to personally oversee the maneuvers, which are apparently aimed at demonstrating the revival of the nation's military might and come ahead of Russian elections in March.

The business newspaper Kommersant said the exercise was set for mid-February and would closely resemble a 1982 Soviet exercise dubbed the "seven-hour nuclear war" that put the West on edge.

Official comments on the upcoming exercise have been sketchy. The chief of Russia's Strategic Missile Forces, Col.-Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov, was quoted by the Interfax-Military News Agency as saying the planned maneuvers would involve several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles in various regions of Russia, but he wouldn't give further details.

A Defense Ministry spokesman refused to comment on the reports. The Russian military typically says little about upcoming exercises.

Kommersant said the maneuvers would involve Tu-160 strategic bombers test-firing cruise missiles over the northern Atlantic. Analysts describe such an exercise as an imitation of a nuclear attack on the United States.

Other groups of bombers will fly over Russia's Arctic regions and test-fire missiles at a southern range near the Caspian Sea, the newspaper said.

As part of the exercise, the military is planning to conduct several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles, including one from a Russian nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea, the Kommersant report said.

The military also plans to launch military satellites from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan and the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia - a simulation of the replacement of satellites lost in action, Kommersant said.

Russia's system warning of an enemy missile attack and a missile defense system protecting Moscow will also be involved in the exercise, it added.

Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent military analyst, said the military has regularly held nuclear exercises that were timed to coincide with the annual test-firing of aging Soviet-built missiles.

"It has been a routine affair, but it can be expanded if they want a show," he said.

Ivan Safranchuk, head of the Moscow office of the Center for Defense Information, a Washington-based think-tank, said the maneuvers would further strengthen Putin's popularity ahead of the March 14 presidential election he is expected to win easily.

Putin has repeatedly pledged to rebuild Russia's military might and restore pride to the demoralized service. When he ran for his first term in 2000, he flew as a second pilot in a fighter jet and later donned naval officer's garb on a visit to a nuclear submarine - images that played well with many voters who are nostalgic for Soviet global power and military prestige.

"This exercise will make a great show, with Putin receiving reports from military commanders," Safranchuk told The Associated Press.

Kommersant said Moscow had notified Washington about the exercise, describing it as part of efforts to fend off terror threats even though it imitates the Cold War scenario of an all-out war.

"The exercise follows the old scenario, and casting it as anti-terror is absurd," Safranchuk said.

Putin's support for the United States following the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks bolstered relations with Washington and helped broker a new U.S.-Russian nuclear arms reduction deal and a Russia-NATO partnership agreement in 2002.

But the U.S.-Russian honeymoon has soured lately over Moscow's criticism of the war in Iraq , U.S. concerns about authoritarian trends in the Kremlin's domestic policy, and Russia's perceived attempts to assert its authority over ex-Soviet neighbors.

2004 Associated Press

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 01:29 PM
This was a double post. I have deleted it. I apologize. Zee

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by cyberzee]

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Aliceinwonderland
U.S. concerns about authoritarian trends in the Kremlin's domestic policy

I know what does it mean. The Russians want to have their own Patriot Act but the US Gov want to keep it for itself.

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 02:08 PM
yes it will happen becouse my John Kerry post i did a about an hour ago has gone missing strange that

[Edited on 4-2-2004 by leejones]

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 02:13 PM
rather unsettling news

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 10:55 PM

Public will reject pro-China tactics

By the Liberty Times editorial

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004,

French President Jacques Chirac stated during a state banquet in honor of Chinese President Hu Jintao (JA) last Monday that holding a national referendum along with Taiwan's presidential election is a "grave error" that will disrupt regional stability.

On the other hand, President Chen Shui-bian () indicated during his New Year's remarks on Jan. 27 that the referendum will constitute another major accomplishment in Taiwan's democratic evolution.

In the past, Taiwan won the recognition of the world with its economic miracle and now it will win the respect of the world with its democratic achievements, Chen said. He went on to say that he believed Taiwan could write a new chapter in history.

The referendum is a focus of attention not only in Taiwan, China, the Asia-Pacific region and the US. Against the backdrop of security threats posed by China and as a result of media manipulation, the issue has even attracted the attention of European countries. In the future, with the approach of the presidential election, it could become the center of global attention.

Among all the countries that have expressed views, the US is the most influential and significant. General Richard Meyers, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, visited Beijing last month. During his meeting with former Chinese president Jiang Zemin (A), Meyers explicitly indicated the US government's opposition to a unilateral change of the status quo by either side of the Taiwan Strait.

He also told a press conference that on the Taiwan issue the US and China understand each other's stance.

If Taiwan is attacked, the US will assist Taiwan in its self-defense. Meyers said that as China continues to make massive missile deployments, according to the Taiwan Relations Act, the US is obligated to assist Taiwan in its self-defense.

Meyers is a top US military commander. His comments in Beijing were open and unequivocal. It was also an international declaration that constituted a pleasant development at a time when the US-Taiwan relationship was characterized by the pan-blue camp and by some local media as being at the "lowest point" over the so-called referendum "controversy." Meyers' comments were an accurate piece of "preventive national defense" on the part of the US.

In other words, Meyers has clearly informed China that the US has not changed its policy of supporting Taiwan's self-defense pursuant to the Taiwan Relations Act as a result of its disapproval of holding the referendum.

In addition, during Meyers' visit to Beijing, Chen announced the topics for the referendum. US Secretary of State of Colin Powell responded that the US neither opposed Taiwan's national referendum nor endorsed it, stating that Chen has shown flexibility on the issue. At the same time, Powell reiterated that both Chen and the Chinese leaders are "good friends" of the US, and that both the US-Sino and the US-Taiwan relationships are in good order.

Obviously, China's intention to exploit the US to pressure Taiwan has not been accepted by the US government. This proves that the US-China-Taiwan relationship is back in equilibrium.

Powell's comments have relieved the pressure and suspicion of the US over the national referendum.

As the head of the alliance of democratic countries of the world, the US government cannot and should not have double standards for democratic values. All its concerns about the referendum arose from China's deliberate twisting of the referendum as "incremental Taiwan independence."

China on the other hand also uses the threat of force as a bargaining chip to engage in extortion of the US and Asia-Pacific countries, and now even European countries such as France. It also uses international comments to sing in unison with the pan-blue camp, calling the referendum "dangerous," building up an impression of looming danger and threats in the Taiwan Strait.

This was the reason for the concerns of the US and numerous Asia-Pacific countries. Fortunately, after Chen announced that the national referendum will be held based on the "five noes" principles, the controversy cooled.

From the standpoint of its global strategy, the US is very concerned about the referendum because Taiwan's geographical location ties it to the Asia-Pacific region's stability and development. Peace in the region in turn is closely tied to the political and economic interests of the US in the region.

Each year, the volume of US trade with the region takes up 70 percent of the country's foreign trade. About 97 percent of the energy needed by Japan, which has signed a security treaty with the US, relies on imports, and more than 20 Japanese oil tankers travel through the Taiwan Strait each day. Therefore, neither the US nor Japan could deny that the seas surrounding Taiwan are key for their economies, trade and energy. The strategic importance of the Taiwan Strait is evident. It goes without saying that the US and Japan are very concerned about the referendum.

In view of the US government's declared stance of neither endorsing nor opposing the referendum, we know that the referendum is not what the pan-blue camp has declared it to be -- a provocation of China, nor a cause of war.

Actually, referendums are a key democratic index and facilitator of democracy for democratic countries.

Unless democracy is defeated or threatened, unless a country is subjected to totalitarianism or authoritarianism, referendums are a norm for democratic countries and a pillar that strengthens democracy.

It is truly regrettable that at a time when Chen had only made a policy declaration with respect to the topics of the referendum and before any formal proposal had been made, the pan-blue county commissioners and mayors had already gotten ready to boycott the referendum, openly encouraging people not to cast votes in the referendum. We feel very disappointed by such conduct on the part of pan-blue local government heads.

After all, the Referendum Law (벼k) was formally enacted by lawmakers across party lines, including pan-blue lawmakers.

If the pan-blue camp has any doubts about the legality of the referendum, it should resolve them through legal channels. Instead it is encouraging local government heads to boycott the referendum before turning to the judicial process.

This indicates the pan-blue camp's "support" for the law was nothing but an act.

This not only goes backward on democracy but also help China stifle democracy. China will be the one benefitting.

The pan-blue camp blindly follows China in many respects. It does not protest the Chinese military and missile deployments. Yet it refuses to support a referendum for peace that does not even deal with the independence and unification issue.

If we let them have their way, no future policy that displeases China can ever be implemented. When that happens, how does that make Taiwan different from Hong Kong and Macau?

Therefore, we want to call on the pan-blue camp not to obstruct the referendum out of party interests and hurt democracy in the process.

If it does, it will be despised by the people.

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 10:58 PM
What is Russia afraid of? Being invaded and its standard of living upgraded? They better stop it this minute, we can't have the Russian serfs living any better.

posted on Feb, 4 2004 @ 11:01 PM
Well, with this developing and all these terror threats, i can see that this year is going to be hell.

posted on Feb, 5 2004 @ 04:27 AM
this was posted 6 times already?

posted on Feb, 5 2004 @ 05:26 AM

Originally posted by cyberzee
"I am the protector of America. America's sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God however, still has people that worship Him with a clean heart as they do His work. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people." I
As I looked, a great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me.
"Do you see that?" the man asked. "This army will go to battle to save My chosen ones.Then, the difference between the Godly.....Ther's more all over the net about this!

This is the best part?

Dont worry church-going-americans, god has a protector for you and a mighty army just for you.


posted on Feb, 5 2004 @ 08:42 AM

posted on Feb, 11 2004 @ 05:58 AM
The Soviet threat never diminished, but their smoke and mirror ploy got them alot of money from ol' Uncle Sam. While we enjoyed the "peace dividend" and let the military fall apart, the Russians have been hard at work, building better weapons.

posted on Feb, 11 2004 @ 06:29 AM
while the u.s. govt has its highly technology based but small military running around the globe trying to securefuel resources, russia and china seem to be preparing for 'something'. granted, i highly doubt a ground invasion of the u.s. is fesable in the next year or two. what would they want with MN anyway? it seems that everybody is being all nice to each others face but they all have a gun under the table................will u be ready when 'it' happens?

posted on Feb, 11 2004 @ 09:00 PM
I don't know where the Russians fit in, but the Chinese White Papers released a few years ago explained clearly what the Chinese intended, and it had nothing to do with occupation of any U.S. soil. They do have intentions of smoking South Korea and Japan where U.S. assets are, and striking U.S. Navy assets in the area, and at the same time pummeling the Republic of China. The smoking of the U.S. military in that area is to keep us from immediately striking back. They also are wanting to build a decent enough ICBM system so that the U.S. won't try and strike with theirs for fear of retaliation.
Clinton's giving them missile and nuclear data for personal gain aided their attempts for better missile systems and larger inventories, but hopefully the SDI gains of our own will offset that. If it came to blows, we would loose our connection to cheap sneakers manufactured by slave labor! Could we survive such an ordeal?

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