Hey folks. Passionate debate. This is freedom of speech at work.

I think the video is worth investigating. This was from 1998, and many of the thing allured to as possible predictions, seem to be coming true.

Sorry the Mods are yawning about the subject. But, I'm not surprised.

This is not disinformation. I will find a link to the Masons.

all well and good. Bottom line behind it all though, is that as a Free Adult, i reserve the right to choose what is right for my own protection, development, safety, health, etc. The government can make "laws" about it all it wants, but my rights are given by god, and not to be stripped by uncle sam. If i want to not wear my seatbelt due to discomfort, i wont. If i choose to participate in shamanistic peyotl rituals to advance my spiritual awareness, i will, If i choose not to stop at a stop sign at 2am in a bad neighborhood, i wont, if i choose to NOT take unproven possibly dangerous meds, I wont, and if i choose to defend my rights with my right to bear arms, i will.
I know for a fact that many parents are cojoled, harrassed and threatened into giving their children vaccines, told they must, that its the law, and never informed its their right to choose otherwise. This is Wrong.
The medical industry has a powerful lobby that pushes for unproven dangerous meds (vaccines, chemo, and now psyche meds) to be forced upon our children, with the threat of taking them from us, and they pay politicians well to pass these through. In response to this we need to hold on tightly to ALL our rights, and help keep each other informed. My child will not take most vaccines, certainly not an annual inneffective flu shot, and NO WAY IN HE....well you know....will my child ever take the amphetamines they are issuing out for ADD, an unproven diagnosis based solely upon subjective information, and with "symptoms" easily treated by dietary changes. K guys, im done.

Namaste'
Shawn

1. question,

If all the vaccines where paid for at cost by taxes, without any profit to anyone for the good of whole community.

Would they still be available?


Yes or No

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
releases the school from liability lawsuits if the child develops small pox or polio down the line

Ah okay, thanks.
That sounds crazy to me. Maybe you guys really should be looking into all of this. It would be silly for the school to be accountable in the first place. Would it be the schools fault if you child catches a cold or Influenza? Would they be accountable for your lost wages?

Originally posted by pexx421
a few quick points fredt

1) the diagnosis criteria has not changed for autism since 1994 and yet the rate is still climbing fast.

2)check the amish community for rates of autism among unvaccinated groups.

3)all Flu vaccines in all countries Still contain thimerosol and continue to be made with it.

4)thimerosol is not the only dangerous substance in vaccines, they also contain things like benzene and alluminum, both known to be highly toxic

5)how did vaccination of 10% of the earths population wipe polio or small pox from 100% of the earth?

Come on your facts are all ate up.

The Amish Community not too long ago had a violent outbreak of polio, and they do have autism. They also have diseases such as Maple Syrup Syndrome at 1000 times what the general population has.

And more than 10% of the population was administered the polio and small pox vaccination. You should do a little research into this and find the true statistics. Not what some fear mongering website wants you to believe.

As far as the Autism thing goes, do the research again, no child who started thier vaccinations after the age of 4 has ever gotten autism.

Please home school your children! Keep them away from other kids! I hope they live in spite of your decisions. Do you have a phobia of shots? Are you risking your childrens lives due to your own unfounded fears? Talk to a real MD and get qualified advice. Don't do this based on that film.

$500 bothers you? What is a child's life worth to you?

I'm old enough to remember Polio and I myself nearly died from both German Measles and Chickenpox. I got the Mumps at 13 and I tell you it was Hell!!!!!!!!!! I also remember how terrible Whooping Cough was. I still suffer from the results of two rounds of Pneumonia. All of those are preventable with vaccines now thank God.

Since I'm old enough I know for a fact these Vacinations work. Somebody has been lying to you.

i think your avoiding the question...

How is a NON-Vaccinated person a Threat to a Vaccinated Person, i was under the impression that Vaccination allows you to build immunity to the disease.

I am just simply showing your full of it.

Ya attack my poor spelling, but ignore the amazing point i revealed ,thus proving your statement ignorant and hateful.

Originally posted by The Good Reverend Roger
Quite right. While I support his right to not vaccinate his kids, I certainly don't want his little virus factories around my kid.

What difference would it make if a "little virus factory" was around your child? Your kid (if vaccinated) is supposedly immune.

If I had to label a "little virus factory" it would be the tightly packed slave ship that is our public education system. The problem of plagues only becomes manifest as we cram ourselves into tight quarters in pursuit of material wealth.

My children will grow up in the woodlands... eating an organic diet. Home schooled. No vaccines. No pharmicuticals. If they get sick... they die. I'm ok with that... because largely.. I do not get sick. My wife never gets sick. We eat right. We exercise. We breathe good air and drink pure water. God is on our side.

The reason that schools require vaccinations is because they know that it is the very system that causes the illnesses. Since they are taking your children and hoarding them into tightly packed virus factories, they hold responsiblity to reduce the risk. Hence, the waivers state that if you do not take vaccines, you at least give up your ability to sue them for what they know will inevitably happen aboard the slave ship.

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by The Good Reverend Roger

Originally posted by pexx421
reverend...if you had ever actually READ a medical research study, you would know how rediculous that statement was.

Appeal to ridicule fallacy.

Are you here to debate, or throw one-liners around, like Muzzleflash?

I didnt throw a 1-liner around. My post was about 7 lines long.

Man, your full of it arent you? Plz stop and realize your actually Lying here.
Blatent Lies. I did NOT post a 1 Liner.

I was asking a simple question which you NEVER answered. you didnt even bother to defend your ignorant statements. Just attack my spelling and ignore the fact i proved your wrong.

Its comedy at its finest!

SO Debate me, and stop 'beating around the bush' plz. Quit avoiding the question.

You were saying mean things about non-vaccinated ppl being a threat to vaccinated children, which is hogwash.

Now face up to it.

Do the authorities wish for us all to have their vaccines because they truely love and care for us, or is there another agenda?

Next time you go to your doctor, ask him/her if they vaccinate their kids.

and thinking about it further

I believe the vaccinated kids are the Threat, to the non-vaccinated ones.

Because the vaccinated ppl are now carriers of weakened versions of the virus.

And the non-vaccinated person has never had contact with it.

So in Reality, its the non-vaccinated ppl at risk. The vaccinated ppl are SAFE from the disease (supposedly).

So, maybe you should reword your speech to "Why would you want your at-risk non vaccinated children around my vaccinated virus factory child?"


Also- Another Thought.

Wouldnt a vaccinated woman, who gives birth to a child , pass on her immunities to the child ?

Raid - resistant cockroaches give birth to raid-resistant cockroach children, thats a FACT.

So, since myself and my wife have been previously vaccinated, wouldnt the child who is but the spawn of my own DNA (which has been forever altered by the introduction of various vaccines) wouldnt this child carry on the resistances, at least partially?

If not, why isnt my child dying of Hepititis? Why didnt my child die in the mothers womb?

Any thoughts about these questions?

[edit on 24-11-2007 by muzzleflash]

No way I will ever vaccinate myself as an adult and encourage my family to do the same. I will not father children, but if I decide to adopt later on in life, I will refuse immunizations for my child or children from the jump off. I've been inside and out of this issue with myself and there is no way in hell I would subject anyone to these "treatments," but push the opposite on those around me. Modern immunization is "sketchy" to say the least.