No, I will not vaccinate my children!, page 3
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reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 10:37 AM by anhinga
Ahem, back to said topic:

A number of vaccines, including those given to very young children, have contained thiomersal, a preservative that metabolizes into ethylmercury. It has been used in some influenza, DTP (diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis) vaccine formulations. Since 1997, use of thimerosal has been gradually diminishing in western industrialized countries after recommendations by medical authorities, but trace amounts of thimerosal remain in many vaccines and in some vaccines, thimerosal has not yet been phased out despite recommendations. Some states in the USA have enacted laws banning the use of thimerosal in childhood vaccines.


Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms, and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[5] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[1]

Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thimerosal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection, that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride, and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.


Many parents, and some scientists and doctors, believe there is a connection between thiomersal and autism. More than 5000 U.S. families have filed claims alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal; most claims are still being adjudicated and no awards have been given.[10]

In the late 1990s, controversy over vaccines escalated in both the US and the United Kingdom when a study, published in the respected journal Lancet, by Dr. Andrew Wakefield suggested a possible link between bowel disorders, autism and the MMR vaccine, and urged further research.[1] His report garnered significant media attention, leading to a drop in the uptake of the MMR vaccine in the United Kingdom and some other countries.


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Another vaccination controversy concerns smallpox. Since it has been eradicated, some suggest that the stores of smallpox virus should be destroyed. In an article on Newswise [12] both sides debate the issue: "The destruction of remaining smallpox virus stocks is an overdue step forward for public health and security that will dramatically reduce the possibility that this scourge will kill again, either by accident or design, argues Edward Hammond of The Sunshine Project, an organisation seeking international consensus against biological weapons."

"But John Agwunobi of the US Department of Health and Human Services believes that clandestine stocks almost certainly exist and that destroying the virus would be “irreversible and short sighted.” [13]


Vaccines do not guarantee complete protection from a disease. Sometimes this is because the host's immune system simply doesn't respond adequately or at all. This may be due to a lowered immunity in general (diabetes, steroid use, HIV infection) or because the host's immune system does not have a B-cell capable of generating antibodies to that antigen.



reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 10:38 AM by Niall197
I'm 40 minutes into this video and have had to switch off. Its pseudo science is doing my head in ..... doctors pointing to alarming looking graphs that you can't actually read, selectively quoting from in depth studies, giving 30 y/o examples of doctors innoculating kids who are already sick with colds & diarhhoea ... and funnily enough the kids take a bad reaction to the vaccination.

Moral ? It's not rocket science. Only innoculate kids who are healthy and who haven't been ill the month before the innoculation is due ... which is current practice in the UK anyway.

In my own family I've seen my bro & sisters fret about their children getting vaccinated, especially the MMR vaccine. But all the kids have been fully innoculated against everything going and with no side effects whatsoever, apart from the kids getting upset as they're given the jab.

But did you notice their waiver at the start of the video ?


The producers and distributors of this video, which is only endeavouring to inform of the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccination, do not take any responsibility for any actions by third parties which may be based on this information.


Basically if you follow their advice, don't vaccinate your child & if he/she dies of measles or is crippled by polio dont go running to them for compensation to pay your med bills.

Your call, Stompk, free country n'all. I'd say this video is alarmist hocus pocus myself. You'd be better airing your concerns with your own family doctor.



reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 10:43 AM by stompk
reply to post by The Good Reverend Roger



The graphs are disputing the verifiable evidence. That's the whole point.

So your saying these people are hired actors intentionally duping the public with supposed evidence?

Typical.


reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 10:48 AM by The Good Reverend Roger
Originally posted by stompk
reply to
post by The Good Reverend Roger



The graphs are disputing the verifiable evidence. That's the whole point.

So your saying these people are hired actors intentionally duping the public with supposed evidence?

Typical.


You can hardly see the graphs. There is no evidence whatsoever that the graphs are from a "government source", as you claimed earlier.

I am saying that there is no evidence at all that the people on that tape are who they claim they are. I will not make medical decisions for my kids based on psuedoscience, fearmongering, or unverified claims of medical expertise.

I think what it may be is an anti-vaccination group using actors to demonstrate what they "know to be true". Extremists of all stripes do this, all the time...any "little white lie" is okay, because they are getting the "word" out.



reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 10:59 AM by The Good Reverend Roger
He gives no raw data, though, does he?

And let's just take a closer look at the Good Doctor, shall we?


Archie Kalokerinos MBBS PhD is an Australian physician. In 2000 he was awarded the title Greek Australian of the Century by the Melbourne-based Greek newspaper Neos Kosmos. He held controversial opinions on a number of medical issues. He was a supporter of Linus Pauling's controversial theory that many diseases result from overproduction of free radicals and can accordingly be prevented or cured by Vitamin C; this led him to treat many conditions with high intravenous doses of vitamin C. He also believed that vaccination schemes have been used for deliberate genocide (among indigenous Australians, and in spreading HIV in Africa); and that the US government systematically planned to get rid of undesirables such as criminals by encouraging people with known heart problems to be vaccinated. He is considered an authority by anti vaccinationist organisations, and is quoted as claiming that "...the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of the 'Save the Children's Fund' ... is one of murder and genocide." [2] In 2002 he was reported as saying that the World Health Organisation and Save the Children's Fund "put Hitler and Stalin in the shade" when it came to mass killings. [1]

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Hmmm...seems the Good Doctor believes that all the doctors who belong to the WHO (and who do not believe that vitamin C cures viruses) are all mass murderers.

Great source. Heh.

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reply posted on 24-11-2007 @ 11:10 AM by dizziedame
I remember polio and smallpox.

I remember the iron lungs for polio patients to live in for the rest of their lives. Their heads stuck out of one end of the place they would spend the rest of their lives laying on their backs.

I remember the little children with crutches. Their legs lifeless for ever.

Oh my God..I remember smallpox. Huge horrible, pussy sores over every inch of the smallpox victims body. Those unlucky enouth to survive were left with monster looking scars.

I had the measles and the mumps. Both very uncomfortable.

The last case of smallpox in the USA was in 1949, the last case in the world in 1977 The last case of polio in the USA was in 1979.

Over a million children in the world died of measles last year.

I travel frequently to third world countries so I'm always up to date with any and all vaccinations. If I could get it I would have the smallpox vaccination

Of course it is a parents right to refuse vaccinations for their children. Just think, if enough parents do this we could one day have polio and smallpox in the USA again. You could watch your children suffer horribly and then bury them. You could be very proud of the stand you took against vacaccinations.

All these diseases are still alive and well in a laboratory. My fear is the possibility of them being used as a weapon against us.

By all means excerise your freedom of choice parents....it's your child and you have the right to allow him/her to become ill and possibly die because they didn't get vaccinated.

Dizzie
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