Originally posted by Skyfloating
Have any claims whatsoever been made by respectable people that they saw Himmler after the war? Anything?
None that I am aware of - respectable or otherwise. This is why I was so taken aback by the very possibility that the man who 'committed suicide'
in British custody was not Himmler. If that is the case, and there is reasonable doubt, then Himmler vanished. He would not be alone though -
Gestapo Mueller also has never been heard of again (although there have been spurious reports to the contrary), as well as tens of less well known
Nazis who successfully evaded capure.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
was hitler funded by the west
Golddragnet has answered this question for you but it may help as he suggested if I give you a bit more detail.
The difficulty is that we should consider that though the US was the source of 70% of all overseas investment in Germany that until late 1941 it was a
neutral country and theoretically within its rights to trade with Germany. The same could not be said of UK investors who continued to conduct
business with Germany after September 1939.
However while it was legal to trade, it was not considered 'American' to use the opportunity that Germany presented to bypass Anti-Trust, Cartel and
monopolies legislation. Nor when the US was struggling to rebuild its own post-depression economy, could it be considered patriotic to direct much
needed investments overseas. When it came time to prosecute the Nazis, Robert Jackson pressed vigorously for the charge of Planning and Preparation
to Wage Aggressive War to be amongst the indictments. Under this charge many of the industrialists and bankers who had been integral to Hitler's
rise were prosecuted. If they were members of the Axis.
The IG Farben Cartel was established in 1925 and encompassed, Badisch Anilin, bayer, AGFA, Hoechst, Weiler-ter-Meer and Griesheim-Elktron. In 1928
the US holdings of IG Farben were organised into a Swiss holding company called IG Chemie (Bayer, General Aniline Works, AGFA Ansco and Winthrop
Chemical Company). These firms were then merged the following year and renamed American IG Corporation (later renamed General Aniline and Film when
the groups sought to further distance itself in the US publics' minds from Nazi Germany).
Hermann Schmitz was the Chairman of Swiss IG Chemie and President of American IG until 1936 when his brother Dietrich a naturalised US citizen took
over. A similar tactic was taken by the Warburg brothers, with Max sitting on the board of IG Farben and his brother Paul on the board of American
In 1929, IG Farben retained the services of Ivy Lee & TJ Ross, who at the time were pioneers in the field of Public Relations and had famously been
assigned the task of changing the US perception of John D Rockefeller as the 'most hated man in America.' Lee was paid $25,000 a year by IG,
although the initial deposit was paid by IG Farben all subsequent payments were made by American IG. Lee was also paid a further $33,000 a year by
Joseph Goebbels to improve his image in the eyes of the American public.
In 1933 IG Farben made a contribution of 400,000 RM to Hitler's campaign fund. At around the same time National City Bank issued IG with an
investment bond worth $30,000,000 allowing it to continue its expansion.
As early as 1934 IG Farben began mobilisation for war, drawing up plans that were eventually adopted by the central administration of Germany. In the
period of 1935-6 IG were running 'war games' at their major plants. In the preamble to the war, IG acted in direct conjuction with the Wehrmacht
and Goerings Four Year plan in researching and developing military chemical technology.
By 1939 the IG Farben cartel had acquired some 380 German concerns and over 500 non-German businesses, and held 2000 cartel agreements with companies
such as Standard Oil, Dupont, Alcoa and Dow Chemical.
Standard Oil not only agreed to provide IG with its patents for synthetic rubber (buna) and synthetic oil but it also agreed to suppress and control
the manufacture of both these products in the US and abroad, thus gifting the Germans the monopoly. This would be a enormous factor as soon as
Britain's trade routes to the East Asian colonys were cut.
Of those who sat on the board of IG Farben (Germany) only Max Warburg escaped prosecution at the Nuremberg War Tribunals. Those tried were found
guilty under the charge of planning and preparation for Aggressive War, though this charge carried the death penalty none of the Board members of IG
Farben recieved a sentence greater than 20 years. Most were let out early due to ill health. After 1949, many of the 'Nazi Industrialists were
given pardons by the then US HIgh Commissioner for Germany John J McCloy, who like Dulles had served as legal counsel to the Farben group early in its
career. He had also as Assistant Secretary of War vetoed any ideas of a bombing run against Auschwitz Concentration Camp which was inextricably
linked to a massive IG Farben operation.
Those that sat of the board of American IG suffered no prosecution for war crimes despite having profitted from both the planning of the Nazis
offensives but also from the use of forced labour. There is also adequate documentation to suggest that IG subsiduaries based at Auschwitz
participated in crimes against humanity.
The Board of American IG comprised as follows;
Charles E Mitchell, National City Bank and Federal Reserve of New York
Walter Teagle, Standard Oil New Jersey and Federal Reserve of New York
Paul M Warburg, Bank of Manhattan and founder member of Federal Reserve of New York
H A Metz, Bank of Manhattan
Edsel B Ford, Ford Motor Company
Carl Bosch, Ford Motor Company
There are other instances, IG was not isolated. Investors and bankers in Britain, the US, Switzerland and Sweden all provided Hitler with the means
to launch his attempt to dominate the new, proposed Eurasian heartland. The majority of those people not only escaped prosecution but flourished in
the post war economic booms.
If there is anything else you'd like to know don't hesitate to ask, may not know the answer but I may be able to find it out (if not I'm sure
Golddragnet will also give it a go).