An Occult Translation of the Roswell Event: Count Down to 2012

reply to post by gwhint


Hi Gwhint, and thanks for the information! You have given me a few more bits to look into which im looking forward to. I checked the updated on their website (www.discoveryofatlantis.com...) and it seems that one of the large walls they found near Cyprus was not manmade but they do consider that the "anomaly" would have been utilised by man att he time of the structure being above the surface of the sea (less work for them). They also mentioned about the techniques being used in order to conduct their search and that although they are using state of the art technology it is still very limited as to what it can do. More so the sonar being used and that they have to use a narrow beam of acoustic sound in order to penetrate the mud and silt which of course narrows their field of vision. I think it is important to not that we know more about the surface of the Moon and Mars than of our own sea and ocean floors.

So anyone that disbelieve in ancient cities lost to the seas should take that into consideration. it is unfortunate but not the end of the world as persistence will get us where we want to be. I do know for certain that underwater structures have been found across the world which would have only been above the surface before the end of the last ice age. If you want to see images of some of these structures check out Graham Hancocks website.

I am still waiting for a response from both David Flynn and Jim the pastor but as soon as I hear anything I will let you all know. I have a feeling that this is all going to be extremely fruitful for those interested in this thread =]

reply to post by rapturas


There is a line from the Oliver Stone movie JFK that goes something like:

Theoretical physics can prove that an Elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy.

I read the entire thread, every post and it was very interesting. However, I found the math to be the least convincing aspect of it. Now I'm not even close to any kind of math genius, in fact I'm quite terrible at it. Yet I have read a lot of theories like this where people take numbers deemed to have significance and then add, subtract, multiply, or divide them and then point to the outcome as if it were a smoking gun proving whatever theory they are presenting. I guess I just don't see it. There are too many leaps of logic that are unexplained by the original author of the material.

Also, while I believe the bible probably contains some nuggets of truth & historical fact, I think using it to try to prove a theory is misguided. Putting aside all the difficulties of using a young religion like Christianity to bolster a theory: the bible itself has been translated from ancient, dead languages like sumerian and aramaic into modern spoken ones many, many times. It's reasonable to assume quite a bit was lost in the translations, and some biblical scholars are quite dismissive of the King James version.

reply to post by mecheng

2) If the civilizations from long ago were so advanced, why don't we find their skyscrapers? Why didn't they leave behind a video tape or DVD of their existence rather than hieroglyphic symbols painted inside caves?

I'm not sure skyscrapers are exactly a hallmark of an advanced and intelligent civilization. Perhaps just a symbol of an arrogant and wasteful one.

Also, for some reason the way you say they should have just left us a DVD to me is a tad ethno-centric. Like when my grandfather gets all irritated with people trying to communicate with him in a foreign language and asks, "Why can't they just speak English?"

Now all those thoughts aside I do think there is a lot of interesting theories on 2012 etc, and I'm not flat-out discounting this one. I'm saying I just can't reconcile the math, the jesus, and the latitude/longitude.

There are those who say there is a significant parallel in the north as well. Knight & Lomas are very adamant about it. 52nd I think? I could be wrong but it's the one that passes near Stonehenge, and I believe all the major Canadian cities are lined up near it.

Brilliant thread, rapturas. I was sat gripped at the computer last night, reading your original post and the imput of others - I don't remember when I last found something so absorbing.... apart from the Return of the King book.
I'm amazed at the level of knowledge some of the posters on here know about the 2012 theory... certainly makes for an interesting read. Until last night the most I'd read was the astronomical predictions of the Maya civilization [which, of course, is inclusive of these findings], but found myself reading variations of, what I suppose boiled down to the same piece of text.

@palehorse23: Thanks for the book recs; the 2012 theory has only recently came to my knowledge, and I've been hoping 'something' in the way of a reccomendation would come my way. I checked out the customer reviews for the book Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural; The Coming Great Deception and the Luciferian End Game"--by L.A. Marzulli, one of your recs, and can safely say I'll be getting my teeth into it very soon. Cheers.

Rapturas, on page 1 of this thread you said :

Originally posted by rapturas
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Mount Hermon in Phoenicia, the first location of extraterrestrial influence with man, lies precisely at 33.33° north 33.33° east ... 2,012 miles from the equator and 2,012 miles from the prime meridian.
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Hmmmm, so the Aliens knew the location of the prime meridian back then? its really just a line for standardization, someone even gave info of when it was decided upon (1884).

Oh wait a minute, they waited all those years and then influenced the decision so the original location of phoenicia could be calculated ....



sorry dont mean to derail or debunk, just could not swallow that "fact".

[edit on 28-11-2007 by 2believeor0]

a very interesting website to ponder, below taken from here The Forbidden Star map, Freemasons

For Wayne the three pillars seen in the ‘Hiram Abif star map’ were particularly intriguing. On closer examination of their possible meaning, he was convinced that in the context of his existing theories they could be celebrating three separate ‘visitation’ events. The visitation of Earth by our human ancestors after colonising three different star systems at three different epochs. It is therefore highly likely that these people who had remarkably advanced technology are the references to “angels” we read about in our holy books. Beings, who were clad in bright clothing, and who could fly and perform great ‘miracles’.

and to be fully discussed here www.abovetopsecret.com...

What do you make of this?

I have a question for you all;

Does anyone know of the expected solar flare that is projected towards Earth in Dec.2012.
There would be nothing special about this expect this one will be very powerful as it will be a flare at the end of the Suns eleven and a half year cycle which produces very powerful x-ray and gamma-rays but also what gets me thinking is the fact that Earths magnetic field has been reducing at a rapid rate due to the polar caps melting (which happens every 10,000 yrs by the way) and our magnetic field is expected to be almost gone around the same date of 2012.
I just find it strange that there is all this talk of 2012 and aliens and all yet it's this we should be concerned about as I believe this happens every now and then and could be responsible for the extinction of dinosaours and neanderthals.

reply to post by MrUniverse


Ive heard about changes in our solar system, planets atmospheres changing plus changes with the sun itself (among other things). My bookmarks are all over the place and cant find the site i read that in but i will keep searching and will report back.
I done a search on the net and came across something called the Orion Prophecy

Author Patrick Geryl came to the staggering conclusion that the Earth will soon be subjected to an immense disaster. The cause: upheavals in the sun's magnetic fields will generate gigantic solar flares that will affect the polarity of the entire Earth. The result: our magnetic field will reverse all at once, with catastrophic consequences for humanity.

Massive earthquakes will demolish all buildings on the planet, and instigate colossal tsunamis and intense volcanic activity. In fact, the Earth's crust will shift, sweeping continents thousands of miles away from their present positions.

There is ample evidence in the literature of ancient civilizations that such disasters have occured in the past and also clues that they knew when another such calamity would occur. The Dresden Codex of the Maya for instance, contains the secrets of the sunspot cycle, about which our modern astronomers know almost nothing!

In his books, Patrick Geryl continues his scientific analysis of the millennia-old codes of the Maya and Egyptians that refer to the coming super-disaster. He determines that both cultures arose from an antediluvian civilization which was able to calculate the previous polar shifts and that we should take very seriously their calculations that place the next reversal in 2012!

www.howtosurvive2012.com...

www.life-cycles-destiny.com...

I will look more into it tomorrow as i need to get some sleep.

edit:

The entire solar system - not just our one small planet -- is currently undergoing profound, never-before-seen physical changes. This paper will address and scientifically document a wide variety of significant examples, drawing from a host of published mainstream sources.

Here are some highlights:

Sun: More activity since 1940 than in previous 1150 years, combined

Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field … for a supposedly “dead” planet

Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years

Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes

Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps

Jupiter: Over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds

Saturn: Major decrease in equatorial jet stream velocities in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator

Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity

Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness

Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto recedes farther from the Sun

None of these statistics are from “fringe” scientists; they are all very, very real, and what you have just read is only the proverbial “tip of the iceberg.”

Read the whole 3 page article as it mentions about hyperdimensional changes!!!

Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds

center.arc.nasa.gov...

www.lifespirit.org...

what does it all mean?

Found these as well =]

Tutankhamun's regal necklace piece of glass is much older than civilization

19.47 tetrahedron, does it have anything to do with the article on the solar system/hyperD changes? lol


[edit on 28-11-2007 by rapturas]

reply to post by rapturas


same here.

I have looked into this for the past 2 yrs and it's gonna happen. It's good to find someone who's looked into it also. I think the government know about it and they are trying there best to play it down but I knew about this a few yrs back just wasn't sure. Another thing to look into is underground cave systems.

reply to post by rapturas


YES. I remember reading about the changes occurring within our solar system in an online article called "Your DNA is Changing, Part 1" on www.divinecosmos.com Very interesting read about how our DNA will react to the ongoing changes taking place on Earth as well as the entire Solar System. It all sounds like some sort of natural process. Perhaps what all the buzz about 2012 is about?

There is a part 2 on the way soon.

You know, I've heard about expected large solar activity many times and have read it's not only our planet which is heating up...the sun is getting hotter. The show Nova even did a story about it. But I never, ever, ever hear the topic mentioned by Al Gore, David Suzuki, or from any reputable organization doing studies on climate change. This baffles me!?! The statement "sun getting hotter" doesn't even get broached once. This doesn't even have to do with aliens, structures on the moon, ufos or any other unconventional idea.

I can only draw one conclusion for this lack of acknowledgment. You can't sell 'green' products or big business environment solutions when the truth is...
Global warming can't be stopped. Maybe no point to mention the sun is getting hotter. What do I know?

OK,

Bill the Last Prophet told me alot of things...

One was about Corona, N.M. He said this was the original spot. Which fits your theory even a bit better. It is the CORONA. They "eye" The SEE>

He also said there is some sort of holographic machine there, and they are using metal particles in the atmosphere to bounce images around, making people see things.

The real aliens are us!

When God formed the universe, it was like anything else he forms in the fact that everything grows from a single point.

Early in mans history, the planets and stars were closer to us. People from Atlantis populated other planets. They look different than us because of the varying atmospheres.

They do travel to earth, and many are mixed in with the general population.

Saturn, is one planet that is populated by ancient humans.

Bill also said this is it.. Revelation is past or already happening.

He said we are going into unwritten territory.

Soon, people will realize the "second messiah" is already here.

All people with evil intent will perish, to make way for a new world.



The Illuminati understand this, and are trying to avert it.

They think, that if they can get mankind to destroy themselves,

they will be left, and God will abandon Earth.

What they don't understand is that this time

has been prepared for. The illuminati cannot win

even if mankind is destroyed.


Your thread, and it's reaction, is a step towards the truth.


[edit on 30-11-2007 by stompk]

By the way, you should check out MAJESTYTWELVE

MAJESTYTWELVE was in a tall thin font style... imagine the title squeezed together between the M and E with all of the letters stretched vertically. The key to access was a Top Secret (Q) (SI) security clearance with the compartmentalization of "MAJIC" (not magic). I cannot remember the exact font except that it is a tall thin version of San Serif... the exact name escapes me after all these years... but it is a key to access.

The plan outlined the formation of a world totalitarian socialist government. It is to be ruled by a behind-the-scenes "council of wise men". A "benevolent dictator," will be thought to be a "Messiah".

The Constitution of the united States of America and its Bill of Rights will be scrapped. A parliamentary form of government will take its place. All military forces and individuals are to be disarmed except for an internal police force which will carry only the minimum weapons needed to maintain internal order.

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities." President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV


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Watch "Startrek" from the beginning episodes up to the present, and you will begin to realize that it was an indoctrination into the concepts of socialism through subliminal initiation of the youth of the nation. The Captains James T. Kirk (JTK = KTJ) and Christopher Pike are symbolic salutes to the Order of the Knights of the Temple of Jerusalem, and to the Brotherhoods greatest philosopher and probably its most prolific writer the "Christed" Albert Pike. The Enterprise represents their "great work".

On the meaning of 33.3 as a possible location point. I punched it into "Google Earth" and it took me to Egypt. When I included the date of 2012 (33.3.2012) it took me to a more precise location. Check it out. Now when I put 33.3 into "Google Sky" it took me to a place in the universe that seemed empty, but when I included the date, (33.3.2012) it took me took another place filled with stars. I think there is something with the place and the time, like a multi-demensional map.

One other thing, I herad that in the year 2012, the galactic core (black hole), the sun, and the Earth will perfectly align. The sun will focus a force upon the Earth and it will do a complete reversal so that the physical north and south will switch. The sun will rise in the west and set in the east. The Earth will experience great weather, earthquake, events. And the sun will do some really strange stuff prior to this event.

Has anyone heard of this? Also, check into this
Google Earth,Sky) thing. BTW 666 takes you directly to Sweeden. I have not put it into "Google Sky" yet.

I put 666 into "Google Sky" and it took me to a star namely... NGC666. This star had planets, but after being influenced by other stars including a white dwarf, the star exploded. The star was named "Cassiopeia"

I wonder if the star called NGC666 had a populated planet. Could they be here?

Fascinating.
I've been researching a variety of topics and have found that 3 and 33 seem to be common factors in many unusal situations.
In fact I have a personal affinity to the numbers 3 & 4.
My mothers B-day is 6-12-33, mine 4-30-63 (both of us much younger than our siblings- the baby's)
Her father & brothers were Masons -Dad made it to 32 degree.
I also have this eye pigment.
So when I see posts like this my interest is peaked.
i'm still trying to make sense of the weird personal connections to many 'occult' topics.
This makes me wonder how much I still do not understand regarding numerology, the Masons, Other possible life forms (reptiles??), and prophecy.
Is there something I should know??

I'm not sure if this has been posted or linked to in this thread yet, but here is a great video by David Flynn that puts all of this into perspective:

Doomsday Clock - David Flynn

Funny, but I just ran across this David Flynn video a few days ago and thought about opening a thread. I see now that I don't have to. LOL!
In talking about the 33.33, which brings to mind the masons and the illuminatti, which have roots going back to the knight's templar. I did some studying on this a long while back, so I hope memory serves me well;
Seems as the story goes, that the knights templars had come into possession of some highly secretive information that they held over, hmmmmm....I think it might have been the Catholic Church. Could be wrong. But whoever it was, the information was so important that it made them very wealthy. Legend has it that they still retain this knowledge that no one else is privvy to, to this day. And that is why they are called the illuminated ones.
Somehow, I think this all ties in. Haven't quite figured out how. Right now, it's just a suspicion.

reply to post by rapturas


I've read everything in this thread, finding it fairly interesting despite the fact that this sort of numerology can be culled from just about any event you can think of if you try hard enough (no offense). As someone also interested in the occult, I've checked out several claims like this and have been able to figure out "significant numbers" in just about anything. I do admit this one is pretty interesting, though.

However, my question is in regard to this statement:

Analysis of the American seal shows a number of occult and Masonic symbols in particular, the so-called American eagle. The American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalised phoenix.

Is there a source for this claim?

reply to post by Alkhemist


Hi, very sorry for the belated response. In answer to your question, it seems the quote you took is ascribed to Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of all ages.

Manly states:-

"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United states of America.

Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American Eagle - a bird which Benjamin Franklin declared unworthy to be chosen as the emblem of a great, powerful, and progressive people. Here again only the student of symbolism can see through the subterfuge and realise that the American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalised phœnix, a fact plainly discernible from an examination of the original seal."

[...]

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the intiated few."

(Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI)

The source can be found here THE SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES, by Manly P. Hall, [1928, copyright not renewed]

Here is my take:
The aim of this post is rigorously analyze the article "An Occult Translation of the Roswell Event" by David Flynn. (www.ahrimangate.com...) I believe this to be an article with merit which nevertheless makes some claims which require more rigour. In particular, now that 2012 is almost upon us, I have been obssessed with ANY lack of rigour in any articles that have anything to do with 2012, and the reason is simple. The outlook of anyone in the coming months towards issues like his/her career is highly dependent on his/her belief in the likelihood that anything significant of a metaphysical nature will happen on 2012. Thus I have decided to devote a considerable amount of time to analyzing all claims related to this event. It is a fact that my 2 greatest academic interests like in religion and mathematics. Here is my take on the article (I will only analyze the numerological aspects):

To sum up, when all other distractions are removed from the article, what we essentially have is a set of numbers and alot of equations showing relationships between these numbers. The real key to understanding the article is to discern WHICH of the relationships are independent and which can be derived from something else.

The crucial numbers which appear in the article are:
33, 33.33 (occult numbers)
2012 (for obvious reasons)
33.28 (claimed latitude of Roswell crash)
104.56 (claimed longtitude of Roswell crash)
PI
888 (Isopsephy of the name of Jesus in Greek)
1776 (The year of America's founding in our calendar)
RATIONAL multiples (with SMALL denominator) of 360 x 60 x 6 x 12
a number close to 365, the number of days in a non-leap year
I also appreciate that it is fair to place all numbers differing from each other by multiplication by powers of 10 in the same equivalence class - thus it is ok to move decimal points back and forth, this is because I will grant some kind of non-randomnesses in the fact that humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes.

Now, I will go through the equations and tell you which I buy and which I don't buy.

First, the article says "The number 6,480 is exactly 1/4th of the total 25,920 years it takes earth to complete one circuit through the signs of the zodiac. 6,480 years is unique because it marks the duration between a series of global cataclysms left in earth's historic and geologic record. At Roswell, 19.47 appears in relationship between 21,600, 6,480 and 33.33
When the earth's circumference, 21,600 is divided by 33.33 the number 6,480 appears in a variation:
21,600 / 33.33 = 648.06480648064..."

My response: I don't buy that this is too significant. First of all, there is no significance to the 648 repeating in 648.06480648...
This is because the only reason this happens is because 21600 is divided by 33.33 instead of 33.333333333333....
If it were divided by the latter number, all we would get is 648.
But there is still more to consider. Suppose we divided 21600 by 33.33333....instead. This is just multiplying by 3 and dividing by 100. We agreed that we are allowed to move decimal points around, so ESSENTIALLY this is just multiplying by 3. Now 21600 (nautical miles in earth's circumference) happens to be 360x60, while 25920 (precession) is just 360 x 72. Thus it is not at ALL surprising that one can go from one to the other by multiplying by rational number with small denominator. Both these numbers are multiples of 360 due to more archaic reasons. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the real number of years for precession is not even strictly 360 x 72. It is basically set at 360x72 by many because it is close to that figure and I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 there is coming from the idea of a circle and the 72 there is coming from being a multiple of 12, the number of zodiac signs.

The rest of this article can be found here:
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