Ancient Astronauts Evidence, page 6

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Also as for the ancients understanding of space i think this image pretty much paints a clear picture.

that picture shows the Pleiades, and the cylinder seal shows the Akitu festival

The name Akitu is very ancient. In the third millennium BCE, the Sumerian population of southern Mesopotamia celebrated the á-ki-ti-še-gur10-ku5, the festival of the sowing of barley. It was celebrated in the first month of the year, that is in March/April.

www.livius.org...

The setting of the Pleiades, celebrated during the fall in November/December, brought with it death and endings; and the rising of the Pleiades, celebrated in the spring during March/April, came new birth and beginnings.

this claim was based on the work of Zechariah Sitchin who is a notorious pseudo historian and not qualified to make these claims. He for instance claims that that cylinder seal is Sumerian (its akkadian) and shows the Annunaki (theyre babylonian) and shows the twelve planets of our solar system (there are 8). He is a qualified economist which means that he can look at a market and see what will sell. He certainly bought you didn't he

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Also, although not as ancient, is the Mayan culture and their vast knowledge of astronomy and even the ever controversial calander ending at 2012. What strikes me as odd however, is how the Mayans knew as much as they did while still living quite primitively and the europeans did not discover much about space until they were much more sophisticated.

our calendar ends every year on the 31st december. there is nothing significant about that and likewise there is nothing significant about the mayan calendar. If the Mayans had such advanced knowledge how do you explain their complete inability to see the end of their own civilisation. Presumably they thought they would be around to see the end of their calendar and they weren't. Today most mayans use the Gregorian calendar the same as the rest of us because it is superior
the mayans knew of five planets believed that the world was surrounded by water and thought that the five planets they could see were Gods. they even had stories to explain how the gods had got up there and none of them involved advanced machinery

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
For example some South american cities have dated back as much as 20000 years and show incredible engineering feats many of which we could not copy today.

the oldest city in South America is Caral
en.wikipedia.org...

Caral was inhabited between roughly 2627 BC and 2020 BC, enclosing an area of 66 hectares. Caral was described by its excavators as the oldest urban center in the Americas, a claim that was later challenged as other ancient sites were found nearby. Accommodating more than 3,000 inhabitants it is the best-studied and one of the largest Norte Chico sites known.

your belief that we could not copy any building feat is ludicrous and based on the claims of pseudo historians who want you to buy their books because only they know the truth having not bothered themselves to do any research.
the first thing that the spanish did when they arrived in South america was tore down temples and used the stone to built huge Spanish Baroque style cathedrals on the same spots. Although personally I think this was atrocious I would like to have seen the same feat performed by any native group who didn't even know what a foundation was for. that was why all their building were low and had a large flat base.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Catedral Metropolitana in Mexico City is one of the largest cathedrals in the Western Hemisphere. After the Spanish conquest of the Aztec city of Tenochtitlan, Hernan Cortés began the construction of a Catholic church. This church was demolished circa 1573 and a new cathedral was built on the same place.

compare this


with this

this is the reason you continually get things incorrect. Because you are basing your belief system on the work of people who are intellectually bankrupt

if you arent prepared to do the research yourself then don't expect to be able to get away with making spurious claims about things you don't understand


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[edit on 27-11-2007 by kerkinana walsky]

The Dogon
In Mali, West Africa lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3,200 BC. Now, according to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy and it also rotates on its axis.

This legend might be of little interest to the skeptics but consider this, two French anthropologists (Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen) who recorded it from four Dogon priests in the 1930's. Little interest? Except that it is exactly true! How did these people who lacked any kind of astronomical devices (telescopes etc) know so much about an invisible star? The star, which scientists call Sirius B wasnt even photographed until 1970 by a large telescope in.

The Dogon stories explain that according to their oral traditions, a race of people from the Sirius system called the Nommos visited Earth thousands of years ago. The Nommos were ugly, amphibious beings that resembled mermen and mermaids. They also appear in Babylonian, Accadian, and Sumerian myths. The Egyptian Goddess Isis, who is sometimes depicted as a mermaid is also linked with the star Sirius.

The Nommos according to the Dogon legend, lived on a planet that orbits another star in the Sirius system. They landed on Earth in an "ark" that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind. It was the Nommos that gave the Dogon the knowledge about Sirius B.

The legend goes on to say the Nommos also furnished the Dogon's with some interesting information about our own solar system. That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings and that the planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope! Oh, and didn’t Westerners consider the earth flat and the centre of the universe?

The story of the Dogon and their legend was first brought to popular attention by Robert K.G Temple in a book published in 1977 called The Sirius Mystery. Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

This is a possibility considering Sirius B's existence was suspected as early as 1844 and seen was through a telescope in 1862. It doesn't seem to explain a 400-year old Dogon artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration nor the ceremonies held by the Dogon since the 13th century to celebrate the cycle of Sirius A and B. It also doesn't explain how the Dogons knew about the super density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories.

It is also important to remember that although many parts of the Dogon legends seem to ring true, other portions are mistaken. One of the Dogon's beliefs is that Sirius B occupied the place where our Sun is now. Physics would prohibits this belief. Also, if the Dogon believe that Sirius B orbits Sirius A every 50 years, why do they hold their celebrations every 60 years?

Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky and can easily be seen in the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Look for the constellation Orion. Orion's belt is the three bright stars in a row. Follow an imaginary line through the three stars to Sirius which is just above the horizon. I think it’s a bluish colour.

Sirius is about 8.6 light years from Earth. Astronomer W.Bessel was the first to suspect that Sirius had an invisible companion when he observed that the path of the star wobbled. In the 1920's it was determined that Sirius B, the companion of Sirius, was a "white dwarf" star. The pull of its gravity caused Sirius's wavy movement.

White dwarfs are small, dense stars that burn dimly. Sirius B is in fact smaller than the planet Earth. Approximately one teaspoon of Sirius B is so dense that it weighs 5 tons.

So did alien fish-men pay a visit to ancient Earth and give the Dogon their knowledge? Or was the Dogon's culture contaminated by western visitors? Or could the Dogon's have had ancient technical or non-technical means to find this information out? Or is the whole thing just a matter of coincidence?

The question maybe settled as larger and more powerful telescopes take a look at the Sirius system. According to the legend there is a third star: Sirius C and it is around Sirius C that the home planet of the Nommos orbits. Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life though.

When Temple first issued his book in the 1970's there was no solid evidence of a Sirius C. In 1995, however, two French researchers, Daniel Benest and J.L. Duvent, authored an article in the prestigious journal Astronomy and Astrophysics with the title Is Sirius a Triple Star? suggested (based on observations of motions in the Sirius system) there is a small third star there. They thought the star was probably of a type known as a "red dwarf" and only had about .05 the mass of Sirius B.

So has the home star of the Nommos been discovered? Or is this just another strange coincidence?
www.amazon.com.../detail/-/089281750X/qid%3D1069775181/sr%3D1-2

I already know the hardcore skeptics will say all these images are the result of a wild imagination but going by what ive heard in religious texts (including the bible) i cant help but think there is more to these than a wild imagination.

Ancient Astronauts BC

This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy. It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.



Two images c.6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa. They do not look human do they ? Also notice the disk in the sky in left hand picture.


This strange suited figure was found in Kiev and I believe its dated to 4,000 BC.


This is a 7000 year petroglyph discovered in the province of Querato, Mexico in 1966. You can see 4 figures with their arms outstretched below a large oval object radiating what appear to be beams of light.



Wandjina. These are images from Kimberley, Australia. Possibly 5,000 years old. Some people believe they may represent ET beings. Here is a link giving you more info on Aboriginal beliefs.

Not so ancient astronauts AD


These images of two crusaders date from a 12th century manuscript " Annales Laurissenses" (volumes/books about historical and religion events)and refer to a UFO sighting in the year 776, during the siege on Sigiburg castle, France. The Saxons besieged and surrounded the French people. They both were fighting when suddenly a group of discs (flaming shields) appeared hovering over the top of the church. It appeared to the Saxons that the French were protected by these objects and the Saxons fled.



From the 10th Century Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit text "Prajnaparamita Sutra", held at a Japanese museum. In the enlargement you can see two objects that look like hats, but why are they floating in mid air ? also one of them appears to have port holes on it. Indian Vedic texts are full of descriptions of Vimanas. The Ramayana describes Vimanas as a double decked, circular or cylindrical aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with "the speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound".




The first picture shows a fresco entitled "The Crucifixion" and was painted in 1350. Two objects with figures inside can be seen in the top left and top right of the fresco. Two enlargements of these objects are shown above. The fresco is located above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia



The above painting is by Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495) and is called "The Annunciation" (1486) and hangs in the National Gallery, London. A disk shaped object is shining a pencil beam of light down onto the crown of Mary's head. A Blow up of the object is next to the painting.


The above picture depicts Jesus and Mary on what appear to be lenticular clouds. The painting is entitled "The Miracle of the Snow" and was painted by Masolino Da Panicale (1383-1440) and hangs at the church of Santa Maria Maggiore, Florence, Italy.



This painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century. The Palazzo Vecchio lists the artist as unknown although attributed to the Lippi school.Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.


1660. The illustration depicts a sighting by two Dutch ships in the North Sea of an object moving slowly in the sky. It appeared to be made by two disks of different size. The source for this account is one of the books entitled :"Theatrum Orbis Terrarum" by Admiral Blaeu. These books were compilations of articles by different authors and consisted of detailed accounts of long engagements at sea, cartography information etc.


This image is by flemish artist Aert De Gelder and is entitled "The Baptism of Christ" It was painted in 1710 and hangs in the Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge. A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.

Above taken from www.ufoartwork.com...
Also see here www.crystalinks.com...
www.enterprisemission.com...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Hanslune

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A comparitive chart is indeed needed. Surprising that this hasnt received much attention. What would religion do if it turned out that "the heavens" refers to sky? But actually, "the heavens" with the S, does refer to sky, doesnt it?

There's a passage in Psalms where King David refers to "heaven and the heavens" as being both under the dominion of God. It essentially suggests that they knew the difference. In fact, a quick perusal of Job's conversation with God, in which God refers to the constellations they had already named. reveals that the ancients knew alot more about the starry firmament than modern historians give them credit for.

A really useful way to approach this topic is to use a Strong's Concordance of the King James version of the bible. There's one online that you can use and it is ever so helpful. It works like a search engine, and gives you every example of that word used, the verse and book where it is found, AND the original meanings of the word in question (including its root and variables) in hebrew, chaldean, aramaic and greek. Here's the link
(the top search box is for the Strong's Concordance)

www.eliyah.com...

ain't it sweet?!

And I have a glorified link page of my own on the subject of ancient cultures that also has a page devoted to online dictionaries related to the subject, here:
www.thestargates.com...

reply to post by rapturas

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Hi im a big ole skeptic. Whever you see something anomolous in paintings, either the artist was having a hallucination, Sitchin travelled back in time to draw the picture, or your wrong and im right.

Oh and by the way, the miracle of snow picture, is actually Jesus watching the first ever played game of golf, jesus loves golf.

Wild and crazy imaginations those ancients.

Oh and as far as crazy wild imaginative pictures are concerned this picture has a recorded account of the event depicted here which can apparently be found at some museum somewhere. Hogwash isn't it? I believe Danniken orchastrated it all that bugger.

Originally posted by rapturas
The Dogon
In Mali, West Africa lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3,200 BC. Now, according to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy and it also rotates on its axis.

This legend might be of little interest to the skeptics but consider this, two French anthropologists (Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen) who recorded it from four Dogon priests in the 1930's. Little interest? Except that it is exactly true! How did these people who lacked any kind of astronomical devices (telescopes etc) know so much about an invisible star? The star, which scientists call Sirius B wasnt even photographed until 1970 by a large telescope in.

The Dogon stories explain that according to their oral traditions, a race of people from the Sirius system called the Nommos visited Earth thousands of years ago. The Nommos were ugly, amphibious beings that resembled mermen and mermaids. They also appear in Babylonian, Accadian, and Sumerian myths. The Egyptian Goddess Isis, who is sometimes depicted as a mermaid is also linked with the star Sirius.

The Nommos according to the Dogon legend, lived on a planet that orbits another star in the Sirius system. They landed on Earth in an "ark" that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind. It was the Nommos that gave the Dogon the knowledge about Sirius B.

The legend goes on to say the Nommos also furnished the Dogon's with some interesting information about our own solar system. That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings and that the planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope! Oh, and didn’t Westerners consider the earth flat and the centre of the universe?

The story of the Dogon and their legend was first brought to popular attention by Robert K.G Temple in a book published in 1977 called The Sirius Mystery. Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

This is a possibility considering Sirius B's existence was suspected as early as 1844 and seen was through a telescope in 1862. It doesn't seem to explain a 400-year old Dogon artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration nor the ceremonies held by the Dogon since the 13th century to celebrate the cycle of Sirius A and B. It also doesn't explain how the Dogons knew about the super density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories.

It is also important to remember that although many parts of the Dogon legends seem to ring true, other portions are mistaken. One of the Dogon's beliefs is that Sirius B occupied the place where our Sun is now. Physics would prohibits this belief. Also, if the Dogon believe that Sirius B orbits Sirius A every 50 years, why do they hold their celebrations every 60 years?

Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky and can easily be seen in the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Look for the constellation Orion. Orion's belt is the three bright stars in a row. Follow an imaginary line through the three stars to Sirius which is just above the horizon. I think it’s a bluish colour.

Sirius is about 8.6 light years from Earth. Astronomer W.Bessel was the first to suspect that Sirius had an invisible companion when he observed that the path of the star wobbled. In the 1920's it was determined that Sirius B, the companion of Sirius, was a "white dwarf" star. The pull of its gravity caused Sirius's wavy movement.

White dwarfs are small, dense stars that burn dimly. Sirius B is in fact smaller than the planet Earth. Approximately one teaspoon of Sirius B is so dense that it weighs 5 tons.

So did alien fish-men pay a visit to ancient Earth and give the Dogon their knowledge? Or was the Dogon's culture contaminated by western visitors? Or could the Dogon's have had ancient technical or non-technical means to find this information out? Or is the whole thing just a matter of coincidence?

The question maybe settled as larger and more powerful telescopes take a look at the Sirius system. According to the legend there is a third star: Sirius C and it is around Sirius C that the home planet of the Nommos orbits. Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life though.

When Temple first issued his book in the 1970's there was no solid evidence of a Sirius C. In 1995, however, two French researchers, Daniel Benest and J.L. Duvent, authored an article in the prestigious journal Astronomy and Astrophysics with the title Is Sirius a Triple Star? suggested (based on observations of motions in the Sirius system) there is a small third star there. They thought the star was probably of a type known as a "red dwarf" and only had about .05 the mass of Sirius B.

So has the home star of the Nommos been discovered? Or is this just another strange coincidence?
www.amazon.com.../detail/-/089281750X/qid%3D1069775181/sr%3D1-2

you're out of date
Hubble destroyed this whole claim two years ago when it was focused on the Sirius sytem
of course I wouldn't expect any of you heavily agendised lot to bother to keep up with the factual evidence
it would also serve you well to use the search function
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Hanslune

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Advanced human civilizations? Sorry no evidence of that,

I disagree. There IS evidence but rather than attributing it to have any correlation with the ancient texts themselves, and rather than come up with plausible explanations for how these feats were achieved, they tell us that the
ancient texts are ALL FABRICATIONS OF RELIGION (mind you, they are history books, interspersed with religious concepts, but still history books) and that the explanations for how these things were achieved is mundane and verifiable (there's absolutely no way to verify most of their theories but because they are from "officialdom", we are to just accept it. what part of "we don't want to be brainwashed zombies," don't you get?)

Originally posted by metaldemon2000


Hi im a big ole skeptic.

I thought you were just someone who didn't know anything

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Whever you see something anomolous in paintings, either the artist was having a hallucination,

if you don't understand the context I can see why you would claim that

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Sitchin travelled back in time to draw the picture, or your wrong and im right.

sitchins theories do require time travel to work but you'd know all about that I'm sure as you claim to know what they are.
please give us a rundown on his hypothesis

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Oh and by the way, the miracle of snow picture, is actually Jesus watching the first ever played game of golf, jesus loves golf.

never heard of it
Link ?

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Wild and crazy imaginations those ancients.

clearly surpassed by your own
you seem unable to grasp the fact that they had the same imaginations as the rest of us because they were ostensibly us

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Oh and as far as crazy wild imaginative pictures are concerned this picture has a recorded account of the event depicted here which can apparently be found at some museum somewhere. Hogwash isn't it? I believe Danniken orchastrated it all that bugger.

another clear case of not knowing the context
can you tell me what the orthodox claim for that picture is or do you not know that either ?

reply to post by kerkinana walsky

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are you unaware of a Book called the Mul Apin now Undo ?

I'm not making any claims as regards the antiquity of the concepts, only that Skyfloating's original comment that the bible doesn't separate the concept of sky/starry firmament and the heavenly abode, is not supported by the biblical texts, as there's evidence in Psalms, for example, that they knew the difference. And as you have pointed out, even older examples exist, that the ancient people of Akkad and Babylon, also knew the difference.

Originally posted by rapturas
I already know the hardcore skeptics will say all these images are the result of a wild imagination but going by what ive heard in religious texts (including the bible) i cant help but think there is more to these than a wild imagination.

actually half of them are simply misquoted

Originally posted by rapturas
Ancient Astronauts BC

This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy. It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.

its aboriginal and shows two shamans in tribal headress

Originally posted by rapturas


Two images c.6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa. They do not look human do they ? Also notice the disk in the sky in left hand picture.

they have two arms and two legs and a head and torso. How many episodes of star trek have you seen to think all aliens will be built like us

Originally posted by rapturas

This strange suited figure was found in Kiev and I believe its dated to 4,000 BC.

right so you're claiming a metal figure was found during the stone age
please link to a credible link that discusses what this is

Originally posted by rapturas

This is a 7000 year petroglyph discovered in the province of Querato, Mexico in 1966. You can see 4 figures with their arms outstretched below a large oval object radiating what appear to be beams of light.

a round object radiating what appear to be beams of light, you need help with that ask any five year old
www.life4seekers.co.uk...

the rest of this stuff is just rubbish
you have a mixture of renaissance pictures with God depicted as an orb radiating holy light down onto blessed characters which was very common at that time and the cover of a 17th century atlas, the crusaders are pointing at Halleys comet just as they also do in the bayeaux tapestry 300 years later
the rest are just aboriginal pictures depicting ritual events
these have been taken completely out of context and used to further an agenda which doesn't stand up to scrutiny. the miracle of the snow clearly depicts Jesus and Mary in heaven which you may remember is above the clouds or were you just being obtuse on that one.

this must be the 100th time now I've been shown pictures that originated with Matthew Hurley or crystal links or any number of ufo websites which quite frankly will happily print a picture of an easter egg if they can get away with it.
wake up and smell the coffee
the only people being fooled by this are those who do not understand what they are looking at

just because you think something looks technological it doesn't mean that the original artist thought the same as you

I'll now step aside because I'm quite sure that Undo wants to mention Ubaidian votive offerings which to her are proof positive that lizard aliens were present in 5000bce Iraq
which of course is why they were being buried with the dead

cos thats what you'd do isn't it

carve an image of your lizard overseer and then stick it in with grandpa to keep him company in the next world

honestly you lot are just like children sometimes



and besides
isn't at least 50 % of this website devoted to discussing this kind of alien mumbo jumbo
why do you need to pollute this area with it ?


[edit on 27-11-2007 by kerkinana walsky]

reply to post by kerkinana walsky

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the oldest city in South America is Caral

maybe so, but your source indicates that it being inhabited in that time period and does not mention when it was built.

Still, its dating of 2627 BC is beyond dispute, based as it is on carbon dating reed and woven carrying bags that were found in situ. These bags were used to carry the stones that were used for the construction of the pyramids.

That is just speculation. If a more modern civilization existed there before and was destroyed somehow, the survivors would no doubt continue to inhabit the area or perhaps return at a later date, retelling the stories of their previous civillization based on magical beliefs. All that would remain are bags and simple tools. There was no mention in the article of the age of the structures.

In the Mayan story of their creation, they say their gods created them in order to preserve their legacy (what legacy would that be? a dying or fallen civilization or perhaps an alien race who have reached the pinnacle of their society? or perhaps one that was destroyed and they were in need of a massive labour force?) and that the world was destroyed by a flood ( having been a newly created species how would they know this? who told them? )
It was also not wrong for the ancients to also believe we were made of mud or earth seeing is our body is chemically composed of many minerals found throughout the solar system and even here on earth, for example, iron, zinc, copper etc.

And for the record as i have stated before i dont read Sitchin and i have only read chariots of the gods once and don't see it as any kind of fact or study material.

reply to post by kerkinana walsky

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right so you're claiming a metal figure was found during the stone age

yeah Sitchen went back in time to inform the ancients of a dance called the robot that would be invented sometimes in the 1900s that would be pretty darn cool for a short period of time.

another clear case of not knowing the context

Sure i can explain, Jesus wasn't pleased at the outcome of a game of golf (he loves golf remember there is pictoral proof). Therefore a war erupted in the Heaven. Sitchin then traveled back in time to give Jesus a high five.

I don't get why you were bashing that post, the blatent use of sarcasm should have been apparent and i find it quite amusing that you would even stoop as low to take a shot on that.


[edit on 27-11-2007 by metaldemon2000]

reply to post by metaldemon2000

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Probably because posts of the type you presented, add nothing to the conversation and make it harder for the Kerkinanas in the world, to get their point across to the lowly, uneducated masses.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by metaldemon2000

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Probably because posts of the type you presented, add nothing to the conversation and make it harder for the Kerkinanas in the world, to get their point across to the lowly, uneducated masses.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by undo]

my only point is don't believe anything you are told unless you have personally checked it out.
I'm sure you'd agree that unless you actually do some research yourself you are in no position to discuss theories with people who have

reply to post by kerkinana walsky

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there are 2 different arguments transpiring between you and metaldemon

the first one is regards the theories he supports.
the second one is regards to his making light of sitchin's theories and
the bible.

his first examples are worthy of this thread.
his second examples are just tongue in cheekiness and add nothing to the conversation.

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