Ancient Astronauts Evidence, page 1
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Topic started on 23-11-2007 @ 04:25 AM by Skyfloating
My thread "Ancient Astronauts Discussion", which had more than 137 replies in two days, has been trashed because I copy pasted some of my material from another thread into it. Sorry to all the participants of that thread.

I recently had a debate on ancient astronauts in which I provided a lot of evidence for the theory. You can find that thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I would like to provide this thread to discuss and expand on the evidence already provided and also to present more evidence. Any "results of research" I discover will be put into this thread. Some of it will be original research and writing done by me. It is alright to expose the research to scrutiny and rebuttal on this Forum as it will show us what ancient-astronaut points are strong and which ones are weak. I look forward to collaborators posting their insights here too.

The Sky and the Heavens

Falsifying history is supported by manipulating language. A good example of this is how the word "sky" has been changed to mean some mythical place called "heaven".

I first became aware of this oddity when learning foreign languages. I remember asking various language teachers "Uh...wait a minute. Sky and Heaven are the same word? They are not in English!"

Why is this so important? Well, by just a little tweaking of the meaning of "heaven" to mean some other dimension or a place in the afterlife you can establish religion. And you can "scientifically" discount a bunch of ancient accounts from South America to Europe, from Africa to Australia, from Asia to ancient Egypt, from Russia to North America that talk about a bunch of "Gods", people and beings flying around in the sky, coming down from the sky, flying up into the sky. Orthodox history can then say "Well, they weren`t talking about space or the sky at all. They had no idea what the sky or space is. They were talking religiously. They were talking about some mythical place".

Don`t get me wrong...I am not discounting the existence of an afterlife or other realms. But the word "heaven", which has been seperated from "sky" in the English language is even used interchangably (as in the heavenS) in the Bible and originally refers to the sky and space.

What strikes me the most is how little attention and comment this case of manipulation has received.


I look forward to discussing the topics of that other thread and new topics brought up. Much more to come.


reply posted on 23-11-2007 @ 06:41 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Hanslune



A comparitive chart is indeed needed. Surprising that this hasnt received much attention. What would religion do if it turned out that "the heavens" refers to sky? But actually, "the heavens" with the S, does refer to sky, doesnt it?


reply posted on 23-11-2007 @ 07:04 AM by LoneWeasel
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by LoneWeasel


But you make an assumption that because we don't know exactly what they meant, they must necessarily be terms relating to ancient technology.




If one scholar makes the assumption that "Horus flew out into the Nightsea" refers to some mythological place, it is my right to make the assumption that that refers to space.

Or not?


It is your right to assume and believe whatever you like. However, you have referred to "hard evidence" in previous posts. Your beliefs and assumptions are not "hard evidence". They are beliefs and assumptions. For example. I believe this egg is a tree, even though my friend Pam says it's an egg. My belief is not in itself evidence that the egg is a tree. Indeed, unless the egg sprouts leaves and grows bark, I have no evidence whatever to suggest that Pam is correct.

I would suggest that taking a text that is commonly accepted to be myth and declaring that myth actually not to be fiction at all, but based on technological reality, places a burden of proof on you to demonstrate that the words mean something tangible rather than myth. In the same way, my declaring this egg to be a tree when commonly it would be accepted that it is an egg places a burden on me to prove that it is, in fact, a tree.

I reiterate my point, which is that your assumptions and beliefs, however much we respect them and your right to hold them, are hard evidence of absolutely nothing.

All I would add more generally to dispute the veracity of your beliefs and assumptions is that there was a culture of fantasy to much of the literature to which you prefer. Norse and old english writing used the fantastic as a device to promote the purpose of their writing. As a very basic example, fire was a major health hazard, so were snakes, combine the two and you have dragons: a device to embody the things that people feared at the time.

1000 or so years later, Shakespeare wrote "The Tempest" which include a flying faerie and a hideous monster. It is my right to make the assumption that the faeire was in fact Shakespeare's depiction of a grey, and the hideous monster was a representative of the reptilians. I would be talking complete nonsense, but yes, it would be my right to do so. I doubt I'll be starting a thread on the subject any time soon, though, as I would have absolutely no evidence to back up my claim.

LW


reply posted on 23-11-2007 @ 07:20 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by LoneWeasel

They are beliefs and assumptions. For example. I believe this egg is a tree, even though my friend Pam says it's an egg. My belief is not in itself evidence that the egg is a tree. Indeed, unless the egg sprouts leaves and grows bark, I have no evidence whatever to suggest that Pam is correct.



Same goes for what scholars label as "hard facts". As can be seen with the "Nightsea" subject, its a matter of interpretation. And interpretation is indeed a belief/assumption. Be it my interpretation or that of an egyptologist.



I would suggest that taking a text that is commonly accepted to be myth



And thats where it ends. This discussion is not about what is "commonly accepted". Not even this Forum ATS is about that. Its about questioning consensus. One side calls "flying into the nightsea" myth. I call it description of an activity. Why is it called myth? Because of the BELIEF that ancients didnt know what flying into the sky meant.



As a very basic example, fire was a major health hazard, so were snakes, combine the two and you have dragons: a device to embody the things that people feared at the time.



So the universally known "flying serpent" and dragon, as found in China, South America, and norse mythology and the Bible is merely a reflection of fear of snakes and fire and doesnt describe some actual event? Maybe. Maybe not.


1000 or so years later, Shakespeare wrote "The Tempest" which include a flying faerie and a hideous monster. It is my right to make the assumption that the faeire was in fact Shakespeare's depiction of a grey, and the hideous monster was a representative of the reptilians.


You have a point there. Interpretation is an interesting thing. The point made above though is that I find my interpretation less of a streeeeeeeeeeeeetch than some of the stuff the roman catholic church (for instance) came up with.


reply posted on 23-11-2007 @ 07:21 AM by mythatsabigprobe
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Fact 1: Nowhere did I admit I dont believe my own theories.
Fact 2: I was not judged looser of the debate. I lost by member-stars.
Fact 3: My thread which contained hard evidence was trashed, while hundreds of threads such as "reptilian rapists attack teens" can prevail without problems. So who are the time-wasters?


These are quotes from your own post in the debate forum.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Since its obvious I am not going to catch up in star count to win this debate, I would like to give my congratulations to Isaac Koi.

I still do favour the theory but have learned that it does have weaknesses that must be compensated for by a lot of effort and twisting.

I did attempt to use every trick in the book and kept re-affirming my desire to win the debate, but in the end Isaac Koi deserves this victory for not letting himself be fooled.


You lost, you admitted you twisted the evidence because it's so weak, and you tried to fool your opponent. That's all fine IMO for a formal debate where the topic can be secondary to judging the debating skills, but when you bring the same arguments to an open forum you're breaking the site's T&C and that's probably why your other thread was trashed.

It's a pity because I happen to believe there IS some evidence for AAT but the moment you try to deceive people, your whole body of evidence is tainted.
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