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Originally posted by maloy
Originally posted by cyberdude78
Stay tuned on this election folks, I get the feeling this isn't the end of it.
The West seems to have already shunned and discredited this election, by withdrawing its election analysts so far ahead of time. It think that was done on purpose, to underline that whatever the result will be (and we all know what it will be), they disagree with it.
To the West it seems unthinkable that a leader and his party can legitimatelly have 70% of the public support. I have a feeling that the West will not be acceptable of the next Russian President, if he maintains Putin's policies.
Originally posted by Alphard
But how can you in all seriousness say that Putin and his party have HONESTLY earned a 70% support of the people?
Originally posted by Alphard
Putin is extremely strongly playing the nationalistic cards while showing the west as the enemy from his power-position.
Originally posted by Alphard
He is hindering the activities of free press and the opposition. Are you really denying this?
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And the pro-kremlin state-sponsored youth-movements night-watch, nashi etc. - these youths are taught to idolize him. Future voters.
Originally posted by Alphard
Kasparov in prison anyone?
Originally posted by Alphard
EDIT: After reading some more of your replies you mention some of the same issues I raised - however they seem to directly contradict your statement of legitimately owning 70% of the votes. How do you comment on that?
Originally posted by Alphard
And I know I am slightly Russiaphobic, no need to point that out. I am from a Baltic state and you, our nice eastern neighbour hav made it perfectly clear you would not mind raiding us for resources and slaves
Originally posted by Alphard
Unlike you however I believe very firmly though that by now he is already causing too much harm to the country and is a danger to the world.
Originally posted by maloy
But he is not backtracking on anything in terms of "democracy" because there is nothing to backtrack on.
Originally posted by maloy
And how is he a danger to the world? What has his administration done to worsen world peace or stability? Everyone keeps talking about it here, but no one has been able to give me concrete examples of how he is a danger to the world, and specifically why he is worse than Yeltsin or Gorbachev - since those are the only two leaders you can compare him to.
Originally posted by Alphard
A sad by-product of this is that out of centuries-long habit they tend to recognize force as the normal form of authority and preferred form of diplomacy.
Originally posted by Alphard
Well, as for Gorbachev, I believe he did the world a great favor by allowing the USSR to be cut to bits and allowed all the Warsaw Pact countries to move in their own directions.
Originally posted by Alphard
As for Yeltsin... well, my country has had a good share of his kind and the only thing he can be credited for is showing the world how to NOT create a free-market economy and build up a democracy.
Originally posted by Alphard
Now about Putin himself. Lets put up a list first of all:
- Pointing nukes at the rest of the world and threatening to use them (how can you not call this destabilizing?)
Originally posted by Alphard
- Using gas and oil prizes to pressure neighbors to policy changes
Originally posted by Alphard
- Keeping military forces in other independent countries and refusing to move them
Originally posted by Alphard
- Aggressive use of military assets - violating borders, in some cases even dropping bombs
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- Financing anti-government groups in other countries
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- Pushing an aggressive political and news-press smear campaign against neighbors
Originally posted by Alphard
in this modern world there are things like dialogue and compromise. Putin is not acting as a partner to the West
Originally posted by Alphard
There will be an entire generation that will be grown up feeling extremely patriotic, yet deprived of their true place in the world.
Originally posted by Alphard
It is well-known that he has both visited the youths' camps, the organizations receive funding from the state and that they are to a large degree controlled by Kremlin.
Originally posted by Alphard
PS. I am no fan of USA foreign policy either and saying that 'someone else does it also' is no excuse. Everyone can make sure that there is at least one good man in the world.
Originally posted by maloy
Fall of USSR resulted in dozens of regional conflicts, violent political struggles, and ethnical conflicts throughout the member countries. Look at Chechnya, Abkhazia, Transdniester, South Ossetia, Coup attempts in Moscow in 1991, violent parliamentary dissolution in Moscow in 1994.
Originally posted by maloy
And does the world really gain that much by having one superpower instead of two? Where are the checks and balances? U.S. can do pretty much anything, and get away with it.
Originally posted by maloy
Russia has always pointed nukes at the rest of the world. Name one nuclear power that doesn't have their nukes pointed at somebody, but has them safely stored somewhere in the attic.
As for threatening to use them in any way other than retaliatory - I don't recall this.
Originally posted by maloy
He didn't pressure the neighbors to do anything. He simply ended generous energy subsidies to countries no longer considered Russian allies - it is as simple as that. How the West interpreted this is completely irrelevent, because interpretation is but a propaganda tool.
Originally posted by maloy
It was under Putin that Russia withdrew forces from many countries, like Georgia.
Originally posted by maloy
I am assuming you are talking about Georgia. It is a long an complicated issue, that has been talked about on these forums endlessly.
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Other than Georgia, I fail to see other relevant examples.
Originally posted by maloy
Any and every government with money and a will to have world influence finances opposition groups in countries to which is it ideologically opposed. This was pioneered by the U.S., and not surprisingly is still widely utilized by U.S. - more so than anyone else could ever hope to.
Originally posted by maloy
Hardly aggressive, but very common and dirty political tactic used around the world. Russia's neighbors are known to do the same to Russia. Thankfully they are just throwing feces at each other, and nothing more.
Originally posted by maloy
He is only acting to the West, as the West is (and was since the fall of USSR) acting towards Russia.
Originally posted by maloy
Not nearly an entire population. Nashi are a minority, and usually not the smartest of best educated youth in Russia.
Originally posted by Alphard
The regions that became conflict zones inherited their problems from USSR and earlier Tzarish times. Blaming these on Gorbachev is just silly.
Originally posted by Alphard
The first Chechen war was a war of independence against Russian oppressors.
Originally posted by Alphard
the right to run their own country
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As I said, I do not approve of US foreign policy. However it was a positive 15 years without the threat of an imminent nuclear showdown.
Originally posted by Alphard
As for threats - threatening to target European cities if a missile shield is built counts as a threat just fine.
Originally posted by Alphard
And we are to believe that this is not a pressure mechanism?
Originally posted by Alphard
If you cannot see this or if you choose to deny this
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While constantly threatening to not move them out whenever someone said or did anything that he did not like.
Originally posted by Alphard
The claim was not made only by Georgian military commanders but later confirmed by foreign experts.
Originally posted by Alphard
I also refer to the frequent violations of Finnish and Baltic airspace by Russian airforce.
Originally posted by Alphard
I also refer to the 'cage-rattling' by Russia's long-range bomber force. Not friendly.
Originally posted by Alphard
Would you say they are all increasing world stability? The question you asked me was 'What has his administration done to worsen world peace or stability?'. I am just answering.
Originally posted by Alphard
I would agree if it was not so frequent and so nationalistic. As Russians are told every day by numerous sources that their neighbors are after their skin, the xenophobia is still increased.
Originally posted by Alphard
The west did not start this new cold war, Russia did with their statements that were made for domestic consumption but alienated the international community with their content and tone.
Originally posted by Alphard
Still makes them a dangerous tool. A tool pro-Kremlin forces keep using in domestic and foreign policy.
Even though our evaluation of these events is different, it is great seeing that your arguments actually have a background in reason and logic. The difference comes from our individual values.
It’s a place where some say voicing your criticism could cost you your life.