Originally posted by on_yur_6
reply to post by PaddyInf
Well if a .45 +P hollow point doesn't put a fist size hole through the bad guy, or knock off a limb , it will almost definitely knock the bad guy
on his arse!
I aggree a .45 +P HP would be at the top end of the "pistol damage" scale and would be a fine choice for a handgun if you can handle it. It has a
good reputation as a as a stopper. The thing is it's still a pistol round.
When I was a nurse in Belfast City A&E we used to see people with pistol hits all the time. They ranged from .22LR to .357 Mag to .455 Webly. Not one
of them compared to the sort of thing you get from a rifle round (which we also saw plenty of). A pistol hit is still a low velocity hit. They rely on
bullet design and shot placement more than anything to drop an opponent. I certainly didn't see any limbs blown off by them despite plenty of 6-pack
customers (a type of punishment shooting given by paramilitaries - involved shooting the victim in the knees, ankles and elbows, rendering them
There are so many colloquial stories floating around concrening stopping power, with little real evidence. Most of the stories are passed around by
people who have never seen a gunshot wound. Permanent cavity is the only thing that does damage. Temporary cavity does nothing with a pistol, as the
velocity is too low to expand tissue past breaking point. Unless a round hits a vital area, chances are it will not immediately stop an opponent. This
is not to say that a single round will not stop someone, but the chance is high that it won't.
In reality, assuming all other factors are equal, the real life damage caused by a pistol bullet between 9mm and .45ACP isn't hugely different. While
this isn't a view shared by some shooters, it is what my experience has shown. Hence the old saying "Never bring a pistol to a gun-fight".
Most people who have been in a gunfight will tell you that a multiple centre-mass hits are the most effective way to stop an opponent. You simply
can't guarantee a head shot, and to be honest most people can't make one when they are moving, the target is moving and they are being shot at.
Safest bet is to aim at the biggest target available, i.e. centre mass. This doesn't necesserily mean centre torso, it means centre of visable
target. If this is the head then so be it. If this is the flank then that's where you aim.
Practicing the motions will take you so far and is definately a good idea, but until it's been tried with someone shooting back, it's just too hard
to understand. Chances are you will focus on the centre mass, and keep squeezing the trigger until the target goes down. This has been shown to happen
more often than not in actual shootings. Another common injury is hand wounds. People who don't focus on the centre mass often focus on the direct
threat, i.e. the weapon. This results in hand hits.
In the end you may be one of the lucky few whos' training kicks in. Then again you may not. You'll never know until the first round goes down.
Good shooting to you anyway mate.