U.S. Supreme Court Takes Up Gun-Rights Case, page 5
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reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 01:28 PM by Togetic
reply to post by Roper



At the moment, the only thing that I have is the Wikipedia entry under the United States Constitution saying "when a Supreme Court decision clarifies the application of a part of the Constitution to existing law, the effect is to establish the meaning of that part for all practical purposes." I have made a note to myself when I go back home (Thanksgiving away and all) I'll get the exact case name and citation for you and I'll post it; I'll U2U it as well.

Best.


reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 04:26 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by Realtruth



The civilian populace must be able to hold guns. Governments should fear their people, not the other way around.


reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 04:32 PM by Wrangler95CSA
I think what a lot of people are failing to see here with this argument is that this not a FEDERAL law, it's a STATE law (or in this case, district). The handgun ban applies ONLY to Washington DC, and is being appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States for Constitutional validity. Obviously, it's UN-Constitutional because it is in direct violation of the Second Amendment.

This is NOT an attempt of the current White House administration to take away the guns of the common man. The law, the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975, applies ONLY to Washington DC, banning residents from owning handguns, automatic firearms, high-capacity semi-automatic firearms, and unregistered firearms. This law was passed by the Washington DC CITY COUNCIL, NOT the federal government.

The Brady Bill, commonly known as the Assualt Weapons Ban of 1994, WAS a federal law signed into action by President Clinton. This FEDERAL law made it illegal for ANYONE to own a fully automatic firearm, such as the Tec-9, AK-47, M-16, etc. It also created very broad rules that various states have exploited to do determine what qualifies as an assault weapon and what doesn't. Thankfully, this law ended in 2004, and has not been renewed. However, there's a new bill out called the Assault Weapons Ban of 2007, spearheaded by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), that if passed, would be even more strict and oppressive of the Second Amendment. Different argument for a different thread.

With the DC handgun law going up to the Supreme Court, it will be the first time that a direct interpretation to the Second Amendment has taken place, in regards to the banning of firearms to the common man. The verdict is highly anticipated by both sides, pro-gun and anti-gun. While certain aspects of gun control should be implemented, it's important to keep in mind one thing that is statistically proven throughout the world: less guns to the public = higher crime rate. The argument that if you remove guns from the populace, crime will go down, is false. Prime example is Washington DC. Being as handguns are illegal to own, self-protection and home defense is equally minimized. This is a direct blow to the safety and self-preservation of the regular law-abiding citizen. Obviously, criminals that engage in violent crime do not have the same mindset as John Q. Citizen. They don't care about the legalities or laws regulating possession of firearms. They'll get what they're after one way or another.

What SHOULD happen in this case going before the Supreme Court is NOT the definition of a milita, but a strike-down of the current DC law stating that it's unconstitutional, and that the residents of Washington DC DO have the right to own and possess handguns.

If they want to get rid of handguns because of the false theory that less guns equals less crime, then lawmakers need to apply anti-gun ownership where it will be most effective: target criminals, repeat offenders, and improve police enforcement. The background check that takes place in other states taps into the federal database to see if someone is a convicted felon. If you're a felon convicted of a violent crime, then you don't get a handgun. And if for some reason you do get one and the cops get you, you get tossed in jail for a very long time, and the key gets thrown away. Put arms back in the hands of the law-abiding citizens, and violent crime will drastically fall. That's not my theory, that's statistically proven throughout the world.

It's sad to see that the actions of violent criminals and gangbangers have affected the general populace as much as it has, and hopefully this current DC law will be repealed, and the people can again carry and protect themselves. My hope is that this landmark case will trickle down into the states courts, and the super restrictive gun laws will be repealed nationwide.

Yes, I'm a card-carrying member of the NRA, and I'm active duty military.


reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 05:01 PM by AmoebaSized
Step by step.

"well regulated"!

Regulation (n.) - A principle rule, or law designed to control or govern behavior.
Regulate (v.) - To control or direct according to a rule. To adjust in conformity to a specification or requirement. To adjust for accurate and proper functioning. (No farking! (oh, that is only my interpretation.))

Okay! Hup, hup, hup, hup! Twirl around 360 counterclockwise! Hup, hup, hup, hup! Twirl around 360 clockwise! Hup, hup, hup, hup! Turn to the Left! Hup, hup, hup, hup! Turn to the Right! Hup, hup, hup, hup!
Now for the Parade! Marching to the Fife and Drums! (over the parade route through the countryside and towns.)

Militia (n.) - A citizen army as distinct from a body of professional soldiers. The armed citizenry as distinct from a regular army. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency. The whole body of physically fit male civilians eligible by law for military service.

(No humans need apply -- just some humor!)
Does not say anything about any piece of paper required. (Ah, I think that would be the Second Amendment though!)

Ego ( (n.) - The self, esp. as distinct from the world and other selves. 2. (Psycho-anal -- whoa what a word there!) The personality component that is conscious, most immediately controls behavior, and is most in touch with external reality. 3. Self-confidence; self-esteem.

Egocentric (adj.) Self-centered; selfish. 2.(Philos.) Viewed or preceived from one's own mind as a center.

Egoism (n.) - The ethical doctrine that morality has its foundations in self-interest.

Egomania (n.) - Obsessive preoccupation with the self.

Egotism (n.) THe tendency to speak or write of oneself excessively and boastfully.

Egotist (n.) - A conceited, boastful person. 2. A person who acts selfishly; egoist.

(Ahem - know any political candidates?)

Any further questions can be asked at your own expense, for someone else may have an answer? I heard tell of Exocists and Phychologists existing in this modern world.

College is where a person learns that there is always more to learn even afterwards.


reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 05:35 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by NJ Mooch





www.dojgov.net...

Scroll half way down this article, and there are numerous quotes from Founding Fathers on gun ownership, which should give clear insight that the 2nd Amendment refers to the population, not just a militia.

here are a few examples-

JAMES MADISON

"Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms."

SAMUEL ADAMS

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms . . ."



reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 06:12 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by BlueRaja



Thank you. This is the golden writing that must be smeared into the face of these stupid idiot senators.


It is very simple to define the classic American. As long as we may do as we please and in little fear or problems to do such, we remain happy and peaceful. But the second you limit us, we become a violent animal. One that will not go down without it's honor.


reply posted on 22-11-2007 @ 09:37 PM by Roper
"the people" are two powerful words.

Roper



reply posted on 23-11-2007 @ 10:48 AM by Togetic
reply to post by Zharkov



That is very interesting; where did you find the text of the case?
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